DBWI AHC: Make the majority of Europe democratic

It can include constitutional monarchies if need be. As you know absolute monarchies dominate Europe from the Russian Empire, to the Austrian-Hungarian Empire to the German Empire etc. Sure Great Britian, France and Switerland among others are democratic but most of Europe is not. Is there a way to change that by 2011?

OOC: WWI does not happen ITTL or is very short. None of the autocrats fall and the borders don't change much.
 
Roosevelt did use every trick he had to keep things from falling apart in Europe in 1914. I doubt Wilson or Taft could have kept peace in Europe.

True, so you figure a big win by Anglo/Franco forces which inspires the rest of Europe to throw off their monarchs?
 
True, so you figure a big win by Anglo/Franco forces which inspires the rest of Europe to throw off their monarchs?
No. I see them breaking up Austria Hungary (it wasn't stable at the time so why not), and forcing a republic on Germany. Not sure how to make Russia a democracy. Only scenario I got for them is as asb as America falling to the bolsheviks.
 
No. I see them breaking up Austria Hungary (it wasn't stable at the time so why not), and forcing a republic on Germany. Not sure how to make Russia a democracy. Only scenario I got for them is as asb as America falling to the bolsheviks.

Why break it up though? As unstable as it was whatever was left would probably be more unstable. Who are the Bolsheviks? OOC: Russia is still under a tsar remember? No or short WII no Lenin.
 
Why break it up though? As unstable as it was whatever was left would probably be more unstable. Who are the Bolsheviks? OOC: Russia is still under a tsar remember? No or short WII no Lenin.
OOC: What were the communists called before that then?
IC: Because they won and could eliminate it as a threat. Having a bunch of small nations in the Balkans fighting each other is preferable then a revenge seeking Austria-Hungary.
Isn't that what the followers of Marx called themselves? Maybe I've watched to many old movies.
 
OOC: What were the communists called before that then?
IC: Because they won and could eliminate it as a threat. Having a bunch of small nations in the Balkans fighting each other is preferable then a revenge seeking Austria-Hungary.
Isn't that what the followers of Marx called themselves? Maybe I've watched to many old movies.


OOC: Communists mostly

IC: Maybe a branch of it. I don't follow every minor branch of follower of an obscure branch of Socialism. I had to look him up to find out who he was.

OOC: Sure he had quite a following but after 100 years with no Lenin, Stalin or Mao I figure he is thought of as just another of a number of Socialist theorists at the time.
 
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OOC: Communists mostly

IC: Maybe a branch of it. I don't follow every minor branch of follower of an obscure branch of Socialism. I had to look him up to find out who he was.

OOC: Sure he had quite a following but after 100 years with no Lenin, Stalin or Mao I figure he is though of as just another of a number of Socialist theorists at the time.
Its settled then, I've watched to many old movies and read to many old books.
 
Its settled then, I've watched to many old movies and read to many old books.

No problem, I looked it up. It was some obscure Russian Socialist party that died around 50 years ago. OOC: The Duma does exist in TTL it just has about as much power as it did prior to WWI. IOW almost none.
 
No problem, I looked it up. It was some obscure Russian Socialist party that died around 50 years ago. OOC: The Duma does exist in TTL it just has about as much power as it did prior to WWI. IOW almost none.
I'm impressed it lasted that long. From what I've read they never got more then 75,000 votes.
 
It can include constitutional monarchies if need be. As you know absolute monarchies dominate Europe from the Russian Empire, to the Austrian-Hungarian Empire to the German Empire etc. Sure Great Britian, France and Switerland among others are democratic but most of Europe is not. Is there a way to change that by 2011?

OOC: WWI does not happen ITTL or is very short. None of the autocrats fall and the borders don't change much.


If it wasn't for Metternich successfully Germanising Austria-Hungary maybe we would have seen a break up of Austria into a few republics.

For Russia it is all ready going through a slow process of socialising (economy and politically) if we can have a weaker Tsar after WW1 maybe we could have a successful constituitional monarchy of Russia
 
If it wasn't for Metternich successfully Germanising Austria-Hungary maybe we would have seen a break up of Austria into a few republics.

For Russia it is all ready going through a slow process of socialising (economy and politically) if we can have a weaker Tsar after WW1 maybe we could have a successful constituitional monarchy of Russia

Maybe, were any of the republics before?
 
I protest against Germany being called an absolute monarchy. Sure, the Emperor has a lot of power, but his power has decreased over the years and especially under the late Wilhelm IV, Germany saw a lot of reforms. It's not quite as far as Britain and France, but it is doing all right. With Austria-Hungary and Russia you might have a point, but even they aren't as bad as they once were.
 
It can include constitutional monarchies if need be. As you know absolute monarchies dominate Europe from the Russian Empire, to the Austrian-Hungarian Empire to the German Empire etc. Sure Great Britian, France and Switerland among others are democratic but most of Europe is not. Is there a way to change that by 2011?

OOC: WWI does not happen ITTL or is very short. None of the autocrats fall and the borders don't change much.

You are rather bold for breaking the censorship laws of Austria-Hungary , the German Reich and the Russian empire, and The Empire of China.
 
You are rather bold for breaking the censorship laws of Austria-Hungary , the German Reich and the Russian empire, and The Empire of China.

It's not like he's proposing an overthrow of the modern government. He's creating a hypothetical academic discussion about historical events. The European monarchies, while they may be absolute, are still descendants of the Age of Enlightenment. They still welcome and promote academic research that can make their nations better, and to this end their censors are generally quite forgiving.

Okay, some are better than others, China probably would not let this through. Probably not Turkey either. And it might be a little different if he were to actually publish a timeline like this as a book.

Believe me, if their censors and secret service agencies had seen any hint that he was promoting treason, they wouldn't have gotten past the first internet gateway into your country, and you would never have even seen this message.
 
Posting from the United Empire of Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Just back from my trip to Keijo - a really nice place. Despite some random terrorist attacks staged by the Korean Republican Army before the 1990s, the majority of people in Korea, as shown in a recent poll, oppose secession.

Okay, back to our topic. After the Taisho Political Crisis in 1913, the military could no longer attempt to intervene civilian politics. Looking back, I really wonder if Japan could become such a prosperous and democratic superpower had the Great War broken out. Those insane warmongers inside the military may once again become awesomely popular as they were before the Taisho Political Crisis, and perhaps Japan may have gone insane some time in the 1930s. Therefore, I don't really think a devastating war in Europe during the 1910s would give other European states democracy.

Today, Japan maintains one of the strongest navies in the world, but the civilian government has full control over the military. Under the Seiyukai governments of Takashi Hara (1919-29) and Ichiro Hatoyama (1938-43, 1955-59) and the Minseito governments of Matajiro Koizumi (1929-38) and Shigeru Yoshida (1947-55), Japan stepped onto the right direction of peaceful economic expansion instead of military aggression. The Civil Rights Act of 1945, pushed by Emperor Hirohito and Prime Minister Kijuro Shidehara (1943-47), gave women and all minorities full citizenship and the right to vote. In 1990, Yoshio Hayashi became the first Taiwanese Japanese to become Prime Minister of Japan.

And hey, have you read the breaking news on NHK? After months of peaceful anti-government protests, the German Kaiser has just announced that he would transfer most of his power to the Chancellor and the elected diet by the end of 2011. China, Russia and Austria-Hungary could continue their censorship, but it won't work long. Emperor Karl of Austria-Hungary could continue using tanks and guns against his people, but he could not live long. From the failed assassination of Archduke Ferdinand Zvonimir 2 days ago, you know how popular the imperial household of Austria-Hungary is. Down with the absolute monarchies! Free "Northwest Corea" from China! Free "Northeast Joseon" from Russia! Freedom for Europeans!
 
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