DBWI AHC: make Hitler a Dictator

[Tales Weaver]

Adolf Hitler is best remembered as chancellor of germany from 1936- 1945 a member of CDU, a middle-right party formed between NSDAP, DVP, and DNVP. and the man who stablized weimar republic into a functioning democracy.

Now, make hitler a dictator.

OOC: No ASB changes like this one.

 

[JackLumber]

You'd have to make the man less of a closet monarchist, I don't see him taking supreme power when he so thoroughly believed that such a position fundemently belonged to someone else.

 

[Tales Weaver]

You'd have to make the man less of a closet monarchist, I don't see him taking supreme power when he so thoroughly believed that such a position fundemently belonged to someone else.

But there were open monarchists(DNVP faction) in CDU. Why would hitler of (NSDAP(Nazi) faction) would remain in closet?

 

[JackLumber]

But there were open monarchists(DNVP faction) in CDU. Why would hitler of (NSDAP faction) would remain in closet?

Much like Hindenburg he favoured complete restoration and as I'm sure you know he Wilhelm II was less than popular after the great war and old Adolf just didn't have the prestige Hindenburg did so he kept his position on the subject a bit of a secret so it didn't effect his popularity.

 

[Tales Weaver]

Yea. Besides there were people in NSDAP who opposed the merger (likes of Rohm and drexler) who broke off from CDU and formed DNSP(or Nazis, in short.) due to hitler's closet monarchism in 1932. what happened to them?

 

[Mr. Magi]

Roehm went to China as a part of the German mission under Von Falkenhausen when the Nazis failed their 1934 putsch. He was mainly a trainer for guerrilla and counter-insurgency tactics and was a casualty in the Second Sino-Japanese war during the Battle of Fujian in 1943. Drexler died in Switzerland sometime in '40, though not a lot of info exists on him post putsch.

Hitler being a dictator though? He was an authoritarian, though he probably would need to be more skeptical and bitter towards the mechanisms of democracy, and I have little idea on how to get him towards that. Maybe if he avoided a stint as a POW in the UK? He seemed to grow fond of his captors, used it as at least some template for his policies and ideas were like. Still it took him years worth of negotiating, serious effort splitting the UK from France in terms of policy, as well as Wilhelm II's death in '41 for his goal of restoring a Kaiser to the throne to become reality.

 

[Tales Weaver]

Yeah. That was the reason hitler crushed that bauhaus putsch.

 

[Whiteshore]

Maybe he reads the Communist Manifesto during his time in Vienna and adopts Communism?

 

[Tales Weaver]

Maybe he reads the Communist Manifesto during his time in Vienna and adopts Communism?

Hitler was a conservative. He was a too much nationalist to be a communist. That was why he joined NSDAP, not KPD.

 

[Whiteshore]

Hitler was a conservative. He was a too much nationalist to be a communist. That was why he joined NSDAP.

Well, there's also the possibility that he creates a form of communism which welds communist and nationalist ideals and proclaims that the German peoples can only be unified and the German nation can only be great under communism.

 

[Tales Weaver]

Or maybe he visits italy and learns about fascism there..

 

[Tito Andronicus]

Or maybe he visits italy and learns about fascism there..

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there was no chance of German fascism. (I have no idea why this is such a popular idea on this site...)
Fascism needs some sort of religious apparatus (impossible in a state split between Catholics and Lutherans); some historical myth of greatness (what does Germany have? The Hohenstaufen, maybe, but it's not really the stuff of legend...); anti-intellectualism (difficult in a country with a major scientific background); and major social tensions (which Germany did have to an extent, but the longer the Weimar Republic lasted, the less this was the case).
To be honest, fascism was pretty much an exclusively Italian and Turkish phenomenon - the Drexlerites were basically just populist conservatives, with no real ideology beyond cheap bread, anti-Semitism, and militarism.

 

[Tales Weaver]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there was no chance of German fascism. (I have no idea why this is such a popular idea on this site...)
Fascism needs some sort of religious apparatus (impossible in a state split between Catholics and Lutherans); some historical myth of greatness (what does Germany have? The Hohenstaufen, maybe, but it's not really the stuff of legend...); anti-intellectualism (difficult in a country with a major scientific background); and major social tensions (which Germany did have to an extent, but the longer the Weimar Republic lasted, the less this was the case).
To be honest, fascism was pretty much an exclusively Italian and Turkish phenomenon - the Drexlerites were basically just populist conservatives, with no real ideology beyond cheap bread, anti-Semitism, and militarism.

Germany have Charlemagne, that also applies to france, italy, and low countries.

 

[Tito Andronicus]

Germany have Charlemagne, that also applies to france, italy, and low countries.

True - but he was sort of French as well, which isn't really something you want to build a national mythology around. Especially with France as the natural enemy, and one of the vanquishers of Germany in 1918.