DBWI: AHC: Communist Russia

Kill Alexander II and his son Nicolas before too many reforms can be pushed through. That leaves the Grand Duke Alexander on the throne. From what I've read, he's not too well educated and was a very conservative member of the family. He's likely to screw up severely, perhaps to the point where Russia collapses economically.

That might be enough to encourage a revolution of sorts. Maybe they could install a Communist Czar or reduce the monarchy to a figurehead position?
 
The monarchy was limited in it's powers at that point anyway, so they didn't have the power to continue the war.

But they did manage to convince the Duma to listen to them....and. btw, they never officially fought in the first place. The only Russians who did were volunteers who defected to Allied nations such as Italy, France and Great Britain.....or those who sought to fight on the side of Germany.

Kill Alexander II and his son Nicolas before too many reforms can be pushed through. That leaves the Grand Duke Alexander on the throne. From what I've read, he's not too well educated and was a very conservative member of the family. He's likely to screw up severely, perhaps to the point where Russia collapses economically.

That might be enough to encourage a revolution of sorts. Maybe they could install a Communist Czar or reduce the monarchy to a figurehead position?

Reforms? You mean rollbacks and austerity, right? The Crash of 1929 ruined Russia's economy and the so-called 'reforms' only made things worse. You ever wondered why the 'Green Revolution' finally got the Tsars kicked out in '46? That's what happened. And had it not been for that radical right-wing Northern Republican scamster McCarthy winning the '48 elections we would probably have remained on good terms instead of having to spend the next 44 years over who was going to start World War III.
 
Just about every human depravity that is possible to imagine, all kinds of just unbelievable evil, if you want a picture of what human beings can do to each other, really do to each other. Then talk to a Berliner.


So why hasnt anyone gone in and cleared it, or dropped one of those new bombs... what they called again?

Anyway at least two of the empires could go in an clear it out so why haven't we?
 
So why hasnt anyone gone in and cleared it, or dropped one of those new bombs... what they called again?

Anyway at least two of the empires could go in an clear it out so why haven't we?
Who would support that? Not only is Berlin not bad now (because nobody lives there except a few stubborn old people) but the Germans would raise absolute hell; they see the ruins as practically a monument if not holy ground. Berlin was where the truce formally ending the civil war was finally signed and where von Schleicher's "unity government" was formed. Berlin was where the Germans made their final stand against the invading Allied Powers, and their first tactical victory since the monarchists first crossed the border into Luxembourg; it's where they started rolling back the invading Allied Powers. I'm still a bit surprised they didn't make the final peace treaty be signed there; I suppose the piles upon piles of rotting corpses from almost a decade of war outweighed any other political concerns. Nobody's going to drop a fission bomb on Berlin; if anything, somebody might hit Munich to finally clear all the anthrax out.

You do remember that there was a European theater in WWII, right? Sorry if that comes across as insulting, but the war wasn't just "eastern empires and western empires trade colonies until the Hongxian Emperor finally dies and everyone goes home." As exciting as that was, there was enough going on in the rest of the world to justify calling it a World War.

Though speaking of the Pacific/SEA theater, that might be a good way to partially meet the challenge. If China decides to invade Chinese claims in Russia, we could see "Communist" warlords still occupying parts of Russia after they collapse; Uighurstan did have its "anarchist" warlords, after all. They won't be able to occupy all of Russia - I'd be generous in saying they could manage to occupy parts of it for three months, if the Russians' internal problems flare up early - but maybe they're remembered fondly for whatever reason when the Green Revolution finally rolls around.

OOC: I think that resolved everything, like how a Germany in a three-way civil war can be its own "side" in WWII
 
Who would support that? Not only is Berlin not bad now (because nobody lives there except a few stubborn old people) but the Germans would raise absolute hell; they see the ruins as practically a monument if not holy ground. Berlin was where the truce formally ending the civil war was finally signed and where von Schleicher's "unity government" was formed. Berlin was where the Germans made their final stand against the invading Allied Powers, and their first tactical victory since the monarchists first crossed the border into Luxembourg; it's where they started rolling back the invading Allied Powers. I'm still a bit surprised they didn't make the final peace treaty be signed there; I suppose the piles upon piles of rotting corpses from almost a decade of war outweighed any other political concerns. Nobody's going to drop a fission bomb on Berlin; if anything, somebody might hit Munich to finally clear all the anthrax out.

You do remember that there was a European theater in WWII, right? Sorry if that comes across as insulting, but the war wasn't just "eastern empires and western empires trade colonies until the Hongxian Emperor finally dies and everyone goes home." As exciting as that was, there was enough going on in the rest of the world to justify calling it a World War.

Though speaking of the Pacific/SEA theater, that might be a good way to partially meet the challenge. If China decides to invade Chinese claims in Russia, we could see "Communist" warlords still occupying parts of Russia after they collapse; Uighurstan did have its "anarchist" warlords, after all. They won't be able to occupy all of Russia - I'd be generous in saying they could manage to occupy parts of it for three months, if the Russians' internal problems flare up early - but maybe they're remembered fondly for whatever reason when the Green Revolution finally rolls around.

OOC: I think that resolved everything, like how a Germany in a three-way civil war can be its own "side" in WWII

OOC: Very nice i like it, I'm speaking as a British Imperialist in this version caring more for what the Empire can do/is doing right now.


IC: Oh I'm more than aware of the Euro part of that war, the idiots blasted themselves with bugs and chemicals and god knows what destroying their own country. It's only the empires that jumped in a cut off sections of France, Belgium, Austria, Germany and the rest that saved the damn mainland Europe from being annhilated.

Who wants to bet the British Empire gets it in the neck once again once someone decides to create their own now history of Germany.
 
You may not know this but a large part of communism was the idea that people wouldn't be allowed to own private property and that there would be no social classes. Everyone would be equal, no rich, no poor, and all the land would be owned by the state.

It really sounds like something from a college philosophy course or something Socrates or Aristotle would come up with. Sounds great in theory I suppose; no poverty with just a few folk on top with everything. But how the hell do you have a modern society where no own can own their own house or farm? If you were part of a nomadic tribe it might work, no way could a modern industrial society function like that.

As others have pointed out this seems like ASB. Communism is just a theory, it's not like you could make a functioning government based on it.
 
You may not know this but a large part of communism was the idea that people wouldn't be allowed to own private property and that there would be no social classes. Everyone would be equal, no rich, no poor, and all the land would be owned by the state.

It really sounds like something from a college philosophy course or something Socrates or Aristotle would come up with. Sounds great in theory I suppose; no poverty with just a few folk on top with everything. But how the hell do you have a modern society where no own can own their own house or farm? If you were part of a nomadic tribe it might work, no way could a modern industrial society function like that.

As others have pointed out this seems like ASB. Communism is just a theory, it's not like you could make a functioning government based on it.


Only the means of production would be owned by the state or by cooperatives. Peoples would still be allowed their own homes, a small business that only employs family members or their own personal property. Communists wanted banks, factories and other major enterprises to be state controlled, not necessarily everything else.
 
Sounds like something only a madman could think up.
Hey, now. Karl Marx was a very smart man. I mean, yes, this whole communism thing was something of a huge blunder, but he's considered to be one of the fathers of modern sociology.
 
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