DBWI/AHC: Canadian Borders like this

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IC: How can we, with a POD no earlier than July 1, 1867, make Canada look like this?

OOC: Rule #1: No America-wank.
 
You'd have to butterfly away the Inuit Empire. Getting rid of Navigator Abdul Haseeb is a good start.
 
OOC: How do you get an Arab explorer post Confederation?

OOC: the 1867 part was in character, not out of character, so it could be a different date system. Or the same, but Canada was colonized later and the present is after 2012. Or even Canada is colonized at the same time but an Arab explorer unites the Inuit against the colonists.
 

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Although that territory would be rather large, it would be unable to support large populations. Most of its arable land would be in the most southerly region. For example, how would "Yukon", "Nunavut", and "Prince Edward Island" be viable provinces?
 
What's the language on the map, anyway? A combination of Insular Norman and Tecumsic? Though "Québec" appears to be Occitan.

Perhaps have the Normans conquer England instead of the other way around, so that speakers of Insular Norman will reside on the British Isles instead of the Armorican Isles--a much larger area for their population to grow--and are able to colonize Canada. This would naturally butterfly Abdul Haseeb.

Although that territory would be rather large, it would be unable to support large populations. Most of its arable land would be in the most southerly region. For example, how would "Yukon", "Nunavut", and "Prince Edward Island" be viable provinces?
The provinces may have proportional representation. Quebec probably has, say, 50 votes in the National Soviet or whatever the legislative body is called, while Prince Edward Island would have 2.
 
They'd have to have a very good relationship with any southern neighbor. No way that straight line clear across the continent is defensible against any southern invader. Perhaps this Canada is a puppet of some united North American power? That's really the only way I can see this existing long-term; the lands you have shown can't support a population and industrial plant nearly equal to that of the Ohio basin or the East Coast.
 
They'd have to have a very good relationship with any southern neighbor. No way that straight line clear across the continent is defensible against any southern invader. Perhaps this Canada is a puppet of some united North American power? That's really the only way I can see this existing long-term; the lands you have shown can't support a population and industrial plant nearly equal to that of the Ohio basin or the East Coast.
Perhaps the same power colonized the entire East Coast. The middle third went independent, but the southern slaveowning third and northern fur-trading third remained loyal. The loyal parts eventually gained peaceful independence retaining strong ties to the mother country.
 
Perhaps the same power colonized the entire East Coast. The middle third went independent, but the southern slaveowning third and northern fur-trading third remained loyal. The loyal parts eventually gained peaceful independence retaining strong ties to the mother country.

I find it hard to buy a single power colonizing the entire East Coast. It's just too big for a single power to snap up before competition from the rest of Europe gets in on it. More likely the area of Canada is colonized by one power (let's say Aengland), while the middle areas are colonized by another power (let's say Occitania). Canada is conquered by Occitania during some European war, and then the Occitanian colonies rebel, taking Canada with them. The Canadians make some trouble, and end up getting spun off as some sort of mostly-independent puppet of the independent Occitanian colonies. The borders are set well before European settlement actually reaches them, so the western regions get settled by Occitanians (just realized that the names make more sense switched around, but whatever). No-one really wants to change the status quo, so the country that was originally set up as a homeland for the Aenglish ends up with a large Occitanian minority.

It would certainly explain the artificial straight-line border across the continent, and the differing languages between the west and east.
 
I find it hard to buy a single power colonizing the entire East Coast. It's just too big for a single power to snap up before competition from the rest of Europe gets in on it. More likely the area of Canada is colonized by one power (let's say Aengland), while the middle areas are colonized by another power (let's say Occitania). Canada is conquered by Occitania during some European war, and then the Occitanian colonies rebel, taking Canada with them. The Canadians make some trouble, and end up getting spun off as some sort of mostly-independent puppet of the independent Occitanian colonies. The borders are set well before European settlement actually reaches them, so the western regions get settled by Occitanians (just realized that the names make more sense switched around, but whatever). No-one really wants to change the status quo, so the country that was originally set up as a homeland for the Aenglish ends up with a large Occitanian minority.

It would certainly explain the artificial straight-line border across the continent, and the differing languages between the west and east.
Take care to differ between Occitania and Aquitaine. The word Occitania wasn't used until the Revolution of the 70s and is considered offensive by the speakers of "d'oil" in the rural north.

But that idea does make sense.
 
Take care to differ between Occitania and Aquitaine. The word Occitania wasn't used until the Revolution of the 70s and is considered offensive by the speakers of "d'oil" in the rural north.

But that idea does make sense.

Gallic history was never my strong point; it's not exactly emphasized here in Wendland. Thanks for the tip.
 
Well the star-spangled banner of the Sheikhdom of Athabasca is what inspired you to make that timeline, no?

OOC: It's not MY Stars & Stripes, btw. ;)

What's the language on the map, anyway? A combination of Insular Norman and Tecumsic? Though "Québec" appears to be Occitan.

Perhaps have the Normans conquer England instead of the other way around, so that speakers of Insular Norman will reside on the British Isles instead of the Armorican Isles--a much larger area for their population to grow--and are able to colonize Canada. This would naturally butterfly Abdul Haseeb.

The provinces may have proportional representation. Quebec probably has, say, 50 votes in the National Soviet or whatever the legislative body is called, while Prince Edward Island would have 2.

Take care to differ between Occitania and Aquitaine. The word Occitania wasn't used until the Revolution of the 70s and is considered offensive by the speakers of "d'oil" in the rural north.

But that idea does make sense.

OOC: Both retconned. Sorry, man, but most of this is implausible.....with the exception of Soviets in Quebec, though, which is actually pretty cool, on top of doable. We'll keep that part. :)

IC: Yes, indeed. Assiniboia[OTL's Alberta] and Sasketchewan have been growing like crazy over the past thirty years, though, so both of them might end up having what Quebec had in the '70s (OTOH, Ontario's still got over 100 at this point, though) in the not too far future.

And speaking of Abdul Hasseq, once the second-richest Arab in the world outside Rashidi Arabia(and a citizen of the U.S., by way of England) whatever happened to him? Apparently, he was sentenced to prison for his involvement in a U.K. based drug laundering scheme in 1990, but he would have been released about seven years ago, if he's still alive.
 
OOC: It's not MY Stars & Stripes, btw. ;)

OOC: Both retconned.
OOC: I thought when you said retconned the first time, you were retconning your own post because you liked the idea of an Arab navigator uniting the Inuit. But I tried to explain away your original post so it fit.

Also, why are you retconning if you didn't post the thread?

Sorry, man, but most of this is implausible.....with the exception of Soviets in Quebec, though, which is actually pretty cool, on top of doable. We'll keep that part. :)
OOC: Occitania is a made-up word IOTL. Since he used the word Occitania I explained it away by saying it's just as made-up ITTL.

And how is an Old English conquest of Normandy, with an uncertain POD, less plausible than the Russian word 'Soviet' being so common worldwide that it's used in Quebec? If the Vikings could conquer Armorica, certainly the Anglo-Saxons could.
 
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