DBWI: African humans survived instead of us?

Penelope

Banned
Are you also suggesting that we created ourselves or what? I have never heard of such a lame and absurd excuse for not believing in our creators. :mad:

We are suggesting that evolution is the true explanation of the orgin of life and the universe. I respect your faith, but it's a scientific fact, and most Ytre's have already accepted evolution and adapted their religion to match it. I do not see why Wokang-Radicals such as yourself cannot be moved.

OOC: Obviously I don't want to offend anyone. I respect all religions, my family is even baptist.
 
The latest evidence suggests that we diverged hundreds of thousands of years ago, so the butterflies would be really huge. I mean, maybe they'd have developed agriculture tens of thousands of years earlier and would have colonized space by now. Or maybe they'd never have developed past hunter-gatherers before some disaster wiped them all out, and there would be no humans at all by now. We just don't know

And you know, there are plenty of people with black skins Korporal[1]. Sure, these guys probably had black skins from living in Africa, but considering how rapidly dark skins showed up on us when people settled Africa and other equatorial regions, they would probably have developed light skins as well if they moved away from Africa. Not to mention that we seem to have evolved from an earlier branch also originating in Africa--we moved out earlier, is all, it seems.

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[1]: I'm assuming that the Neanderthals have multiple skin colors like modern humans, because the apparent reasons for their development are species-independent. Of course, you could assume that, eg., Neanderthals developed the ability to produce Vitamin D without sunlight, but then they would probably have dark skins anyways.
 
Okay! No more talk about the gods not existing! It makes me sad and furious! Just keep those theories to yourself, and so will i! :mad::(

And you know, there are plenty of people with black skins Korporal[1]. Sure, these guys probably had black skins from living in Africa, but considering how rapidly dark skins showed up on us when people settled Africa and other equatorial regions, they would probably have developed light skins as well if they moved away from Africa. Not to mention that we seem to have evolved from an earlier branch also originating in Africa--we moved out earlier, is all, it seems.

Yes, i know that our race has people with black skins too. But i was just saying that because i don't think the Homo Sapiens Africanus ever produced a white skin (which is of course why they lived among us in Europe for such a short period). *

* OOC: Since the OTL homo sapiens went extinct, i suspect they did not colonize much of the world, and thus did not produce very light skin colors.
 
Yes, i know that our race has people with black skins too. But i was just saying that because i don't think the Homo Sapiens Africanus ever produced a white skin (which is of course why they lived among us in Europe for such a short period). *

There is no reason to suppose, however, that their DNA was any less plastic than our own. And the factors which led to our own species developing black skin in equatorial groups would certainly have operated on them in reverse, more so even given their hypothesized lack of hair. I would think that not producing white skin (a fact which we cannot know, by the way, as we have very poor preservation of skin from hominids of that period; we don't even know what color our own ancestors skin was--we only assume it was white) was an effect, not a cause, of them failing to survive long in Europe.
 
Instead of?
Hmm, I'm finding that to be a bit ASB.
Maybe surviving into modern times in some harsh deserty place in the middle of nowhere in addition to us but entirely replacing? How on Earth are you going to do that?
Apparently though there was a lot of interbreeding between them and us. Apparently the kinky dark hair of modern Africans is due to the afrosubspecies influence.
 
There is no reason to suppose, however, that their DNA was any less plastic than our own. And the factors which led to our own species developing black skin in equatorial groups would certainly have operated on them in reverse, more so even given their hypothesized lack of hair. I would think that not producing white skin (a fact which we cannot know, by the way, as we have very poor preservation of skin from hominids of that period; we don't even know what color our own ancestors skin was--we only assume it was white) was an effect, not a cause, of them failing to survive long in Europe.

Well, i'm not suggesting that they cannot produce white colors, i'm just saying that they didn't in OTL. :eek:;)

Apparently though there was a lot of interbreeding between them and us. Apparently the kinky dark hair of modern Africans is due to the afrosubspecies influence.
Huh? I thought it was proven impossible for our race and the extinct Iglukans* to interbreed. And... i'm not sure if you're aware of it, but there are more areas on the world besides Igluk* where dark hair is present.

* OOC: I decided to give Africa a more suitable 'Neanderthal' name for TTL.
 
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There are many religions on this planet. The Ytre believe that there is only one god, yet those of you who believe in the Great Ones ones tried to exterminate them for that.

Just because people believe them doesn't mean they exist. People believed in magic too, but you wouldn't go to the great lands of Uppatiah today and sacrifice a goat to cure yourself of an illness. No you'd go to a Dr. I hope

The reason these people died out was because the Earth grew colder than they could survive. We came from a colder climate and therefore had the edge, it probably wouldn't take much for them to have survived rather than us.

The Ytre corrupted Their word. They deserve to burn forever in Xunuunii for believing the false prophet Ylax and writing the false book, the Ytre'an.

If you don't repent now, the Great Ones will smite you. If you do repent, They will show you eternal love and happiness.

I'll be praying for you.

Have faith in Them.


And I would go to a doctor. The Great Ones support doctors for healing believers. You would know that if you read the book of Wokang.

"And We shalt grant those who heal other believers, with an Eternally Happy and Good place in H'uaevn." 1:21 Noraakan Kan
 
If you don't repent now, the Great Ones will smite you. If you do repent, They will show you eternal love and happiness.

I'll be praying for you.

Gkarre-ga'l.*



*OOC: Neanderthal for 'Amen' or 'Amen to that'. :p (However i suspect there to be hundreds of thousands of languages ITTL)
 
I'd think that Africanus cultures would be more sedentary than our own. Why?

Look at their jaws. They are less well developed than our own, clearly meant to digest softer foods, like fruits and vegetables. Our own jaws are built for meat, which is reflected by the fact that most of our early civilizations were herders, first following the wild animals across steppes and forests, then working out a selective breeding program (it seems that the animals, rather than evolve to be faster and harder to hunt, became fatter and slower, possibly because our ancestors exterminated the fastest, leanest ones while protecting the fat until they breed) and remaining herders for a long time. Our cultures are built around migration, so much that even today most people change homes repeatedly just for the sake of it. I'd assume Africanus would settle in flood plains, like the Nile or West Igluk first, and develop communities around sedentary plant agriculture, the way our own people did in the southern portions of the Americas after wiping out the Mammoth and Mastodon herds. They might live their whole lives no more than 5 kilometers from their birthplace.

Because of that, they might be more varied than we are. Our ancestors met and bred with other tribes frequently, as our ranges crossed. That's why the peoples of the Volga region are so similar to those as far away as Turkey, Iran, Mongolia, and France. The Africanus, in remaining stationary, would have isolated themselves from each other. This could lead to more pronounced subspecies.

OOC: All place names (except Igluk) are taken from human names, and would obviously have analogues in Neanderthal World. However, I'm too lazy to come up with them.
 
...develop communities around sedentary plant agriculture, the way our own people did in the southern portions of the Americas after wiping out the Mammoth and Mastodon herds. They might live their whole lives no more than 5 kilometers from their birthplace.

So in fact the Africanus would live the same way as the G'tara* people in Yalgarak**, all over the world? Would that mean that, just like in Yalgarak, there will be no territorial wars and thus global peace?


*OOC: Neanderthal peoples in Patagonia
** OOC: OTL Patagonia.
 
So in fact the Africanus would live the same way as the G'tara* people in Yalgarak**, all over the world? Would that mean that, just like in Yalgarak, there will be no territorial wars and thus global peace?


*OOC: Neanderthal peoples in Patagonia
** OOC: OTL Patagonia.

No. Or at least, probably not. The Africanus could still wage war over the best growing grounds, or being forcibly removed from their settlements by crop failure, thus forcing them to invade new lands. Yalgarak is so sparsely populated that it's easy for the G'tara to move in crisis.
 

Penelope

Banned
No. Or at least, probably not. The Africanus could still wage war over the best growing grounds, or being forcibly removed from their settlements by crop failure, thus forcing them to invade new lands. Yalgarak is so sparsely populated that it's easy for the G'tara to move in crisis.

Not too dissimilar to what early Europus, or our species, had to undergo after the Mediterranean dried up.
 
The Ytre corrupted Their word. They deserve to burn forever in Xunuunii for believing the false prophet Ylax and writing the false book, the Ytre'an.

If you don't repent now, the Great Ones will smite you. If you do repent, They will show you eternal love and happiness.

I'll be praying for you.

Have faith in Them.
Would you shut up about religion for one second, for Zat'aath's sake!
 
Attention! Latest discoveries have proven that the Africanus have been present on R'tank* for a very long time, before the Ru'lak Ka'al** (in which they went completely extinct). Nothing of them remained when the Kal-ak'l*** returned from Calaceos.

It seems that they have developed white skins and lived from hunting-foraging lifestyles.


* OOC: Crete
** OOC: Mediterranean Frying.
*** OOC: Neanderthal tribe settling in Turkey/Greece/Egypt after the Mediterranean Frying was over, eventually establishing a Mediterranean trading empire.


OOC: I made this map using all the information from the thread, using somewhat random (exact) locations and stuff :p:

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