DBWI: Adolf Hitler wasn't a Communist?

As we all know, Adolf Hitler became the Volksfuhrer of the "German People's Republic" in 1935 after taking over Germany the previous year and his actions led to the Second Great War with the USSR, Germany, and China on one side and Japan, France, Italy, and the UK on the other side which led to the Silent War between the Eurasian bloc (or the Communist bloc), the Anglo-Japanese bloc (or the Fascist bloc), and the American bloc (or the Democratic/non-aligned bloc), but what if Adolf Hitler didn't adopt Communism? What PODs might lead to a scenario where Hitler wasn't a Communist? Could he have become a Fascist instead? How would it have affected Germany's fate? Was the fall of Weimar inevitable?
 
. . . and Japan, France, Italy, and the UK on the other side which led to the Silent War between the Eurasian bloc (or the Communist bloc), the Anglo-Japanese bloc (or the Fascist bloc), and the American bloc (or the Democratic/non-aligned bloc), . . .
would dearly loved to have seen UK in the Democratic/non-aligned bloc. But with the Great Depression (or what they variously call in Europe, the Trade War or the Spiral Down) it was not to be, but maybe if someone were to take it up as an ATL?
 
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would dearly loved to have seen UK in the Democratic/non-aligned bloc. But with the Great Depression (or what they variously call in Europe, the Trade War or the Spiral Down) it was not to be, but maybe if someone were to take it up as an ATL?

Oh, come on. If it wasn't for the vast resources of the British Empire, the Sino-Soviet-German Pact would have swept aside the Axis Powers and have gained total control of the Eurasian landmass, if not more. I know people like you like to bitch and moan about the racism of the Fascist Nations back in the day, but for Christ's sake, do you not remember the Great Purge? All those millions of Jews, Turkics, and dissidents massacred in the gulag system? How about all those innocent Persians the Communists incinerated during the Caspian War? The Afghan Genocide? I could go on...

Besides, the Axis Powers liberalized, both politically and economically, in the 1980s during the Shōjiki Movement. Meanwhile, for all the talk of Umschichtung these days, the Reds have only succeeded in fixing their horrendous economic system. They're still as repressive and genocidal as ever, as their recent actions during the Munich Protests and their intervention in Balouchistan have shown. Do you really think that they would be any different

Sorry for the rant, I just can't stand people like this. The idea that the Democratic Bloc could have mounted a significant challenge to the Communists (even if the British had joined) is ludicrous, especially seeing the weakness of the British Empire under Baldwin, as well as the political chaos over here in the USA at the time. Like it or not, the Axis Powers are the only reason we aren't all under the Red jackboot.
 
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would dearly loved to have seen UK in the Democratic/non-aligned bloc. But with the Great Depression (or what they variously call in Europe, the Trade War or the Spiral Down) it was not to be, but maybe if someone were to take it up as an ATL?
Yeah, if only Edward VIII fell down the stairs and died in 1935, before he could become King and the British Union of Fascists didn't take over the UK. The atrocities carried out by the British were essentially the Congo Free State on a larger scale.
 
OOC: Why the fuck are the communists engaging in racially charged industrial mass murder? If you wanted mass murdering commies, wouldn't it be better to just go par for the course?
 
OOC: Why the fuck are the communists engaging in racially charged industrial mass murder? If you wanted mass murdering commies, wouldn't it be better to just go par for the course?
OOC: We can always say the victims were "disloyal" ethnic groups who rebelled too often against the government as opposed to people killed for being "inferior"?
 
OOC: We can always say the victims were "disloyal" ethnic groups who rebelled too often against the government as opposed to people killed for being "inferior"?
OOC: I highly doubt that it would get to that level. Even the numerous amounts of Anti-Semites in the USSR didn't achieve that level of repression against minorites ITTL. Communism, democratic of tankie, simply has too many minorities on its side especially in Russia which was known as the "prision house of nations" and in Germany where many KPD leaders were Jews.

It would probably make more sense for the Communists to just be standard repressive mass murdering tankies.
 
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OOC: Why the fuck are the communists engaging in racially charged industrial mass murder? If you wanted mass murdering commies, wouldn't it be better to just go par for the course?

OOC: Was kind of going for an Iron Dream sort of thing, where due to alternate circumstances communism is viewed as the most evil, genocidal ideology in history, while fascism is seen as largely as a lesser evil or even actively admired and defended.

Did it on the fly, and it's probably not the best, but my rationale was pretty much that Communist Hitler, while not as fixated on the ideals of übermensch and untermensch, is still a rabid anti-Semite ITTL. Stalin, partly due to his own antisemitism and partly due to Hitler's influence, joins him in wholesale slaughter of Eastern European Jews. It's more of a Holodomor than a Holocaust, with forced labor and starvation instead of gas chambers and mass executions.

The genocide of the Turkic peoples was partly meant as Russification gone mad, partly Sino-Uigyhur conflict, partly the fascist British Empire encouraging revolt against communism in the Central Asian SSRs leading to a crackdown.

The "incinerated Persians" wasn't as much an ethnic issue as it was a Soviet invasion of Persia in the 1960s (never changed to Iran ITTL) that saw the usage of nuclear weapons against Persian military and civilian targets.

The Afghan Genocide was essentially a similar issue; not as much a true genocide as the Soviet-Afghan War going far, far worse for the Afghans, with frequent war crimes and usage of WMDs on the part of the Soviets.

In retrospect, it probably wasn't the most realistic (especially because, as you mentioned, Jews had a prominent role in German communism), but again, I was going for a kind of role reversal between fascism and communism in this universe.
 
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OOC: Was kind of going for an Iron Dream sort of thing, where due to alternate circumstances communism is viewed as the most evil, genocidal ideology in history, while fascism is seen as largely as a lesser evil or even actively admired and defended.

Did it on the fly, and it's probably not the best, but my rationale was pretty much that Communist Hitler, while not as fixated on the ideals of übermensch and untermensch, is still a rabid anti-Semite ITTL. Stalin, partly due to his own antisemitism and partly due to Hitler's influence, joins him in wholesale slaughter of Eastern European Jews. It's more of a Holodomor than a Holocaust, with forced labor and starvation instead of gas chambers and mass executions.

The genocide of the Turkic peoples was partly meant as Russification gone mad, partly Sino-Uigyhur conflict, partly the fascist British Empire encouraging revolt against communism in the Central Asian SSRs leading to a crackdown.

The "incinerated Persians" wasn't as much an ethnic issue as it was a Soviet invasion of Persia in the 1960s (never changed to Iran ITTL) that saw the usage of nuclear weapons against Persian military and civilian targets.

The Afghan Genocide was essentially a similar issue; not as much a true genocide as the Soviet-Afghan War going far, far worse for the Afghans, with frequent war crimes and usage of WMDs on the part of the Soviets.

In retrospect, it probably wasn't the most realistic (especially because, as you mentioned, Jews had a prominent role in German communism), but again, I was going for a kind of role reversal between fascism and communism in this universe.
Fair enough
 
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