DBWI Adolf Hitler not killed during the Beer Hall Putsch

Jimmyson

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Adolf Hitler the head of a, little know political party called the NSDAP was killed during an attempt to seize control of the German Government in Bavaria. What if he would have survived this, and the NSDAP was able to gain prominence in German politics, perhaps the no German Civil War, between the SPD-NDVP alliance, and the Communist party.or the German Army getting crushed when they inevitable try to reoccupy the Rhineland under the NSDAP regime.
 
Can't see how someone who failed in a coup could ever do a political comeback. Had he survived, I doubt he'd had been more than the footnote in history than he is now. I mean, how could an Austrian convict possibly get elected in Germany? It would require ASB intervention for that to happen :p

(edit1) He did seem like a promising painter though. :D

(edit2) Let's just face it: It was probably inevitable for Germany to go communist after the war. Sure, one could had hoped someone else would take charge so we could avoid the horrible second world war, but some oddball Austrian convict wouldn't change that! :p

(edit3) Anyway, any other government than the one ITTL would had been a good thing. I can't believe a right-wing politician would had started the war, massacred people, or came up with these crazy ideas. With any other leadership than the German Marxist-Leninist Workers Party (MXDAP), we wouldn't have to discuss the "feasibility" in their crazy schemes today, like Operation Sea Elephant that some people still think was possible...:p:D
 
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OOC: LOL my timeline is about this, but in mine without Hitler the Strasserists take over and as a result the Nazi's lose the German civil war to the Reichswehr.:p
 

Jimmyson

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I can imagine the DNVP becoming a more powerful force as it would absorb the more right wing, and conservative elements of the Nazi party, perhaps about 25% of it. The Communist would have the largest gain of the OTL party as to my understanding most of its supporters were disappointed by the SPD due to the depression, and inflation.
 
The only thing I can think of is that Germany might not have gone Communist.....if so, then this might have prevented the Second Russian Civil War that started just before WWII(Stalin was assassinated in '38, by none other than one of the men he tried to purge), which ended with the 'Whites' back in power in 1946(Russia was neutral in WW2 for that very reason) and that led 44 years of worrying that the Tsar might drop nukes on our heads at any moment. Whether or not the Silent War, or an ATL equivalent, perhaps would have just occurred with the U.S.S.R. instead of the Reformed Empire is a very interesting question that could be debated for weeks on these boards, as well as if Hitler had somehow managed to come to power(he had been working on an auto-bio when he was killed.....which, btw, ended up as the inspiration for the conspirators who tried to overthrow the governments of Haiti and the Dominican Republic back in '83, including the failed writer known as George Lincoln Rockwell, and they damn near succeeded, too, if it wasn't for the actions of President Carter; some people still suspect this may have been the motive for his assassination in '85.)....if he had, we would have been fighting him instead of the revived Austro-Hungary[1], the breakaway Kingdom of Sicily(including most of southern Italy as well as Sicily and Sardinia......btw, Umberto II was a real bastard. Maybe he would've found a kindred soul in Adolph, perhaps?), and Franco's Spain.

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[1]Austria-Hungary came back together in 1924 after a large number of anti-socialist protests in both nations.....though as a republic this time. Croatia, along with the annexed Slovenia, joined in 1925 after the King of Yugoslavia was brutally murdered in a Marxist coup.)
 
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I had to look this guy up on the internet he is so obscure. He was clearly just another nutty politician jockeying for position with other nutty politicians. The nuts really came out after the Great War. In any case it is hard to see this clown amounting to much of anything! He wasn't even German for God's sake! These fringe parties were a dime a dozen in Germany at the time although most weren't stupid enough to try for a coup! If he actually succeeded he would have been put down as soon as things got back to more or less normal.
 
Well, without his gaffe with the Beer Putch thoroughly discrediting the radical right, we may not have had the highly successful Sparticist state, with some of the cleanest industry in the world, and one that has dominated car manufacturing globally, all while having far superior working conditions to most other countries.

I mean, the 3rd highest selling car in the United States right now comes from a Germany cooperative.
 
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The rest of you are welcome to stop posting propaganda at any time you like. This guy was obscure, bizzare, and sounds like a crackpot. Granted, his war record made him popular with the vets, but the guys is a crackpot. Heydrich was infinitely worse, but *if* this guy blocked Heydrich I still see a major role for both psychos. Maybe Canaris grows a pair earlier and defects to the UK with so much technical data it closes the tech gap with the EuroWar/World War II avoided entirely. But then perhaps we'd see products labeled "made in China" instead of "made in Japan" after the Dragon Empire took over poor China during the war...hence why the security council at the Allied Nations Council represents Berlin, Brasilia, London, Paris, Moscow, Tokyo, and Washington...
 
it does make you wonder though

If you have a powerful non communist germany does that mean there is no great war between the commuist and non communist powers ?

Might communism still be a political force in the world ?
 
Umm, buddy, Communism still is. Communist Germany still exists, and is actually quite successful. The War was with Fascist Russia.
 

Tsao

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the Dragon Empire took over poor China during the war...hence why the security council at the Allied Nations Council represents Berlin, Brasilia, London, Paris, Moscow, Tokyo, and Washington...

OOC: Err, what?
 
Umm, buddy, Communism still is. Communist Germany still exists, and is actually quite successful. The War was with Fascist Russia.

Hmm... we must be cross posting from different realities.

We had a war with Communist Germany and France, they lost. The only communist place left is Hong Kong and it's more of a theme park than anything else
 
Hmm... we must be cross posting from different realities.

We had a war with Communist Germany and France, they lost. The only communist place left is Hong Kong and it's more of a theme park than anything else

He is probably from the far right. The Democratic Party is Communist according to them. :rolleyes:
 
Well, without his gaffe with the Beer Putch thoroughly discrediting the radical right, we may not have had the highly successful Sparticist state, with some of the cleanest industry in the world, and one that has dominated car manufacturing globally, all while having far superior working conditions to most other countries.

I mean, the 3rd highest selling car in the United States right now comes from a Germany cooperative.

He wasn't the one discrediting the radical right, Mussolini did that. A strutting buffoon if I ever heard of one! From what I have read he was obscure even then. Since when is Germany Sparticst? It is a typical democratic republic with the Social Democrats in power at the moment. OOC: If he gets killed during the Beer Hall Putsch Hitler is just another would be dictator out of many dictator want to bes floating around Europe at the time.
 
Umm, no, both of you guys have repeatedly denied that Germany's economy is 100% cooperative.

Now, for that war, eh? You must be remembering the 1st conflict, which did dislodge FASCIST elements from Germany and France, but not Communist. Irrefutable proof and everything.

OCC: Okay, before my character becomes the local crazy man, I find it ludicrous that there wouldn't be more Communist Revolts after Russia's if the Soviets turn Fascist. Sorry guys, but the ideology was going to be tested, and it needs more than just 10 years to burn itself out.

For the would be dictator, sure, but it's more that for Germany, it helps discredit the radical right there at least initially.
 
Umm, no, both of you guys have repeatedly denied that Germany's economy is 100% cooperative.

Now, for that war, eh? You must be remembering the 1st conflict, which did dislodge FASCIST elements from Germany and France, but not Communist. Irrefutable proof and everything.

OCC: Okay, before my character becomes the local crazy man, I find it ludicrous that there wouldn't be more Communist Revolts after Russia's if the Soviets turn Fascist. Sorry guys, but the ideology was going to be tested, and it needs more than just 10 years to burn itself out.

For the would be dictator, sure, but it's more that for Germany, it helps discredit the radical right there at least initially.

That's because it isn't. Maybe to the far right it is a but to the rest of the world it is just another country ruled by Social Democrats. Except for the fact that virtually everyone heard of Mussolini while almost no one outside of Bavaria ever heard of Hitler. Even most Germans at the time never heard of him.
OOC: If he dies at the putsch Hitler winds up a nobody. Barely a ripple in the sand. If tsar comes back Russia is monarchist not fascist. Those are two different types of government. In TTL there was a communist Germany and France but probably due to war mongering it got discredited fast.
 
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