You need to get an Axis Japan as Yuan Keding's regime was basically a Japanese sockpuppet at this point.
DBWI: A Different Tripartite Pact?
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Who's actions brought about the end of an independent Austria with the German Empire annexing Austria after they joined the Allies in the latter half of the war.
Which, combined with the communist revolutions all over the planet and Britain's legitimized fears of Germany and russia dominating Europe, led to America supporting the british in their restoration of the empire, which while great for Britain, did result in the American/British Severance in the 80s. Granted, civil rights were on par with america after the 70s, but still a hot mess.
So I guess we have Austria to thank for Canada becoming a political battleground and the Iran war...
Even if they insisted on some concessions like an Imperial Federation.
What about the Imperial Prime Minister, and Yuan Keding’s close friend, Wang Jingwei. After he jumped ship to the imperial side, could he assert the Empire of China as independent from Japan, and join an tripartite pact?
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I mean, it's not like it lasted, you know? After Wilhem IV's death in 1980, it was obvious that there would not be another monarch who could keep Germany together. It's just that no one expected the German Wars to be so utterly brutal, especially the Battle of Bregenz, the most vicious battle in Europe since the end of WWII. Not to mention, the Bregenz Massacre that followed the city's fall to German forces...
Just a shame that so many Neo-Fatherlanders have cropped up in Austria since the end of the German Wars, but that's what happens when you never address your nation's crimes.
Oh the kaisereich tried, it pushed it hard. But Austria always, and i mean always, threw a violent hissy fit when Germany tried to make it pay. the Ostfuher put on trial? Mass violence and Bavaria has a second refugee crisis. Germany sends some of the Austrian tax dollars to help the families of the displaced? the Vienna City Council was bombed. new school books? Almost 55% of the Austrian populace send the kids to private schools.I mean, it's not like it lasted, you know? After Wilhem IV's death in 1980, it was obvious that there would not be another monarch who could keep Germany together. It's just that no one expected the German Wars to be so utterly brutal, especially the Battle of Bregenz, the most vicious battle in Europe since the end of WWII. Not to mention, the Bregenz Massacre that followed the city's fall to German forces...
Just a shame that so many Neo-Fatherlanders have cropped up in Austria since the end of the German Wars, but that's what happens when you never address your nation's crimes.
Honestly considering how much the fatherists fought accountability, i'm suprised they're still a political minority. Granted, 36% of a country is a big minority, but seriously
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Now, I know well that the Fatherlanders were among the most brutal of the fascist governments, but the German Wars...complicated a lot. Yes, the German Royal Army had liberated Carinthia from fascism, but it was that same army that had drowned Bregenz in blood. Too many Austrians see the Fatherlanders as "patriots" and "liberators" who were trying to retain their independence from Germany. The Sopron repatriations certainly didn't help matters.
The Alpines are a region still reeling from history, is what I'm saying. The Alipinization of Germany into Prussia, Bavaria, Austria, Swabia, Westphalia, and Saxony is only the most blatant and poignant example of it (not even gonna get into the quagmire that is Schleswig-Holestein, even though I support its independence).
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So what do you guys think would be some impacts on culture if the leaders of the Axis were different? Like, if Brazil were merely a bit player, instead of their having dragged America into the war when they attacked Fort Buchanan?
The American occupation wouldnt have brought mickey mouse, superhero comics- both outlawed by the fascists- and whatnot not, so no animação as we know it
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This is very true. We probably also wouldn't have Brazil becoming a technological powerhouse (well, at least till the early 90's...), as the U.S. occupation and utter reduction of their military made it so they focused more of their industry on microelectronics. I'm not an expert in Brazil's technological history, but I've heard that both Brazilian microelectronics and their auto industry are a result of their country having a history of engineering and heavy industry ever since the monarchy had been abolished. Is there anyone who knows more about that?
I wonder... if France hadn't joined the axis, would Italy have taken Algiers and established Cartagena? Cartagena has long been a metropolis that rivals in city in europe, and was hugely influential in the Italian Civil Rights movement in the 50s, due to it being majority native "and yet" matching Napoli or Genoa in economic power, something Adis Abbaba hasn't been able to say.
Good god those genocidal bastards might have done some good
Good god those genocidal bastards might have done some good
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Oh man, France got screwed so hard by WWII. By the end, it was the Americans, British, Germans, and Soviets all ganging up on them. It ended with Alsace-Lorraine being taken back by the Germans, and the Soviets establishing North France, which led to Britain working with those fascist bastards in O'Duffy's National Corporatist Ireland as a bulwark against them and the Communist states established in the Low Countries, Liechtenstein, and Scandinavia (which probably wouldn't have happened if those countries hadn't also been in the Axis; Ireland were damn lucky they managed to stay neutral).
Though you must remember, that it was also the British who helped to establish Cartagena, as the Italians were a bit too exhausted after their civil war to manage it all by themselves. Cartagena's independence in 1960, without coming back to Italy, is part of the reason the Italian junta came to power for those seven years (a minor reason, but still, a reason nonetheless).
I mean the Western Pact between the Imperial Federation and Ireland is probably the only reason N. France and the Bonapartes in the south didn't blow each other up in a Proxy War- King Edward VIII told them a few times, "So much of a gunshot in the border will call the Western Pact to arms to repulse the aggressor"- he didn't care that one was communist and one was monarchical, he was very determined to keep the uneasy peace in europe. The Belligerent Peacemaker indeed.
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Hey, at least there wasn't anything like the Bucharest Wall dividing East and West Romania. And at least the Bonaparte monarchy ended up being peacefully phased out once North and South ended up coming back together. Helped not only by the USSR's dissolution, but also by the fact that O'Duffy had finally kicked the can in '75.