DBRP: Independent Portugal?

I can't help but wonder - in the case that European Portugal gains independence, what will become of the alliance with the United Empire? Is the alliance between Britain and Portugal bound to the nation or country (that is, does it apply to all lands ruled by the House of Braganza, or specifically to European Portugal)?
 
I can't help but wonder - in the case that European Portugal gains independence, what will become of the alliance with the United Empire? Is the alliance between Britain and Portugal bound to the nation or country (that is, does it apply to all lands ruled by the House of Braganza, or specifically to European Portugal)?

I think it applies to all the lands ruled by the House of Braganza.
 

maverick

Banned
The whole federated Republic thing has really gone down hill since they abandoned the monarchy...

That's part of the reason the portuguese are so pissed off, even if only a minor part of the already small independence movement is openly monarchist...

(OOC: So for this we use the "Braganzas never leave Brazil" POD?)
 
I think it applies to all the lands ruled by the House of Braganza.

If only European Portugal becomes independent, why would Britain bother to be allied to them? They have a much smaller population (and a smaller market to British products) and in the case of a war with Spain it would be hard to be defended. Also, the rest of the Empire would probably not like it, and lose such important ally would not be a good deal, especially with all the problems that Britain is facing now with the colonial issue in Africa.
 
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If only European Portugal becomes independent, why would Britain bother to be allied to them? They have a much smaller population (and a smaller market to British products) and in the case of a war with Spain it would hard to be defended. Also, the rest of the Empire would probably not like it, and loose such important ally would not be a good deal, especially with all the problems that Britain is facing now with the colonial issue in Africa.

True, which is why I think that the Portuguese independence movement is a minority. At least it's better than the alternative, which is a union with Spain.
 
I can't help but wonder - in the case that European Portugal gains independence, what will become of the alliance with the United Empire? Is the alliance between Britain and Portugal bound to the nation or country (that is, does it apply to all lands ruled by the House of Braganza, or specifically to European Portugal)?
You think Britain would ally with the Iberians just because the Iberians annex Portugal? I don't think you get an automatic alliance with the UK just because you own Lisbon.
 

ninebucks

Banned
Make the Cape Verde Islands the capital of the nation and all will be solved.

The Cape Verde Islands are in the range of Songhaian missiles. That's why to this day, the islands primary occupation is military.

You think Britain would ally with the Iberians just because the Iberians annex Portugal? I don't think you get an automatic alliance with the UK just because you own Lisbon.

Peninsula Portugal is somewhat of an irrelevence. Its Brazil where most of our trade goes. If any trans-Atlantic division took place, we'd surely follow our purses and side with the Brazillians.

But that's a big if. The Empire is genuinely pretty stable, in my humble opinion...
 
Weren't those the people that were involved in that big financial scandal a while back?
Yes, and that's not good for a party who claims to defend republican values of government.
They are less jacobins than the "old" Republican Party but less "Republican".:D
 
You think Britain would ally with the Iberians just because the Iberians annex Portugal? I don't think you get an automatic alliance with the UK just because you own Lisbon.

Bloody hell - see, this why I don't post here much.:rolleyes: I was asking about the nature of the alliance, because:
1. Britain has a vested alliance in weakening the Iberian Union, and ensuring the independence of European Portugal would keep attention away from Gibraltar and the Balearics.
2. I am, incomprehensibly, not an expert in medieval alliances. I was hoping somebody here would be able to shed some light on this for me.

[OOC: Before you ask, ALL of that was in-character...]
 
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