DBAHC: Reverse Cold War

ETGalaxy

ETGalaxy

You're challenge here is to create a reverse Cold War where the Americans are democratic and the Russians are a communist dictatorship. Bonus points if instead of just keeping the USA alive there's still a pan-Anglo Saxon movement like in OTL.

OOC: The one rule I'll have for this DBWI is that the POD from OTL for the democratic Russia can't be "the Whites won the Russian Civil War."
 
Whiteshore

Whiteshore

Maybe Kerensky's government not suing for peace with Germany? Remember, Kerensky's peace with Germany was what allowed the nascent Russian Republic to put it's house in order. As for America not going communist, having either Theodore Roosevelt or William Jennings Bryan become President could do the trick.
 

FillyofDelphi

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Whiteshore said:
Maybe Kerensky's government not suing for peace with Germany? Remember, Kerensky's peace with Germany was what allowed the nascent Russian Republic to put it's house in order. As for America not going communist, having either Theodore Roosevelt or William Jennings Bryan become President could do the trick.
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Eh, you'd need Kerensky's government to never come into power though. By the time the Treaty of Gotland was signed he'd managed to consolidate enough power in Russia to make it stick with his "Union of a Thousand Hearts and a Leagues", and you'd need somebody with ALOT less political accumine and reputation heading the Constitutional Convention to get a situation where those wackos the Leftists purged from their own ranks to somehow seize control of the state. Even if they tried, there's no way the army and Green Guard citizen-soldier units were going to betray their champion to yet another ceaseropapist (Or, ceasero-marxist, I suppose) strongman. And even, EVEN then, could they hold back the Islamo-Germanic forces that were already running rampant through Central Asia and the Volga river valley with worker-militas? The Ottoman troops were crack veterans with a solid decade of modern war experiance and doctrine under their belt from the successful campaigns in the Balkans and Ukraine-Tartarstan (For conventional warfare) and the anti-slavery and colonial campaigns in East Africa (For countering gurillas), while Germany had some of the finest general staff and heavily equip divisions in the world. If the French army coulden't hold out for more than a year and a half under their virtual Xerxes-levels of sun-blotting out fireballs, what makes you think a Moscow vodka-bottler could?
 

Colonel Zoidberg

bhlee0019 said:
What could prevented america from becoming communist dictatorship?
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Competent leadership after the onset of the Great Depression, maybe? Garner was ill-equipped to handle the financial ruin that had beset America, and his own pigheadedness is what did him in. Starting with refusing Roosevelt’s deal to become VP and ending with refusing to negotiate with the dissatisfied left-wing revolution in America, Garner’s short-lived Presidency was marked by a complete unwillingness to work with anyone.

Landon was even worse, and when Browder and the Communists stormed DC, it was Landon who paid the price with his life after Garner disappeared. No one ever found out where he went. And then with Browder and Foster in charge of a radicalized military, state after state fell to Communism and the Browderburg government.
 
Whiteshore

Whiteshore

bhlee0019 said:
Roosevelt becoming president would be helpful.. but by 1929, there are many historians who think it was too late.
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What about McKinley getting assassinated during his second term and Theodore Roosevelt becoming President. That or William Jennings Bryan winning in 1896?
 

Pantaleón Pantoja

The American Revolution was the logical reaction of a desperate people. In the bourgeois era the American worker was completely brought to the heel of business tycoons and bankers who didn't care at all about the extreme poverty that the average American had do endure. It wasn't just the 1929 depression that broke the neck of the bourgeoisie, the revolutionaries also had the injustices of the Gilded Age in mind when they stormed Capitol Hill. So I think we'd need a POD far into the 19th century.

As for Russia, I don't think it's possible that they go communist. The Russians are a very stoical people, I cannot imagine them staging a revolution ever. Even less so if you consider how religious they are. Also Marx told us the revolution would begin in the most industrialised countries, and Russia was an agrarian country until very recently. The revolution was bound to happen in America.
 
Whiteshore

Whiteshore

Or would it have only resulted in a more democratic and less authoritarian communist regime like what Norman Thomas proposed?
 
Tales Weaver

Tales Weaver

Whiteshore said:
Or would it have only resulted in a more democratic and less authoritarian communist regime like what Norman Thomas proposed?
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Actually.. if mckinley was assassinated, Roosevelt could became president. and his reforms would delay the revolution for decades. or even centuries.
 
Whiteshore

Whiteshore

bhlee0019 said:
Actually.. if mckinley was assassinated, Roosevelt could became president. and his reforms would delay the revolution for decades. or even centuries.
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I'd say a William Jennings Bryan victory in 1896 or 1900 or the Roosevelt-La Follete Progressive ticket winning in 1912 would be better PODs as they'd have a stronger mandate for passing progressive reforms
 
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