DBAHC:Make Cuba Communist

samcster94

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What can be done to overthrow General Batista violently and make Cuba Communist??? Batista in OTL stepped down and held elections after peace talks. Cuba today is a democracy, but a rather poor and corrupt one. Bonus points if you have Cuba be Communist in 2018.
 
To be frank, I doubt it would be possible. I mean, United States regarded the Americas as their playground, and they toppled government more faraway than Cuba for less, let alone one right next to Florida. A communist revolution in Cuba will be met by American retaliation in no time.

I think the only thing to make a communist Cuba possible is for the Soviet Union to send a sizable personnel quickly after regime change in Cuba before the Americans could react. After that, if the Americans try to topple the communist government, they will be faced with a direct confrontation with the Soviet Union, a potential for world war 3 that nobody rather have.
 
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Cuba is so close to Miami that Havana is practically a suburb. For them to go communist would be a major embarrassment to the American government and would probably cause all kinds of problems. I mean, missiles in Venezuela was enough of a headache for Kennedy in 1962; could you imagine if Khrushchev could nuke Miami with a slingshot?

Fortunately there’s no way it happens. I mean, the most likely candidate is probably Che Guevara, and he was too busy fucking up South America. I read something about some guy with a ZZ Top beard who ended up going back to Cuba and being a communist dictator, but I don’t see it - he wasn’t even able to advance being third base coach for, like, the Red Sox.
 
Cuba? Are you kidding me? Why in the hell would they do that?? What would they gain out of it? There is absolutely no way a country so close to the United States could be a communist ally of the Soviet Union, way too risky.
 
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samcster94

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Cuba is so close to Miami that Havana is practically a suburb. For them to go communist would be a major embarrassment to the American government and would probably cause all kinds of problems. I mean, missiles in Venezuela was enough of a headache for Kennedy in 1962; could you imagine if Khrushchev could nuke Miami with a slingshot?

Fortunately there’s no way it happens. I mean, the most likely candidate is probably Che Guevara, and he was too busy fucking up South America. I read something about some guy with a ZZ Top beard who ended up going back to Cuba and being a communist dictator, but I don’t see it - he wasn’t even able to advance being third base coach for, like, the Red Sox.
He knew an obscure politician named Fidel Castro. He might have had a shot had the peace talks failed, but him in charge is unlikely and Communism in Cuba today is ASB.
 
Wait a minute. Is that Fidel Castro any relation to the Fidel Castro who used to pitch for the Yankees?

That’s right, two different guys with the same name. The Yankees pitcher ended up third base coach for...lemme check...the White Sox. Wrong Sox. The other one was some mid-level bureaucrat in Cuba back in the day. That guy’s a milquetoast; him as dictator of Cuba under Moscow is insane.
 
I think this highlights an important point. "Making Cuba Communist" depends alot on just where you stand on the highly-charged debate of where regulated capitalism stops and socialism begins. The Agrarian Reformers of Latin America during the Cold War were a CONSTANT topic of debate between the strict advocates of Containment and those who favored "dentante" by dancing around that line in terms of their policies of land repurchase and distribution, public development of natural resources to produce state-run utility companies, anti-corruption campaigns, ect. I'll admit, I'm not an expert on Castro and his particular ideology, but I think the deciding factor would be the question of weather or not he pushes for moves that would shift the sugar land and processing facilities out of the hands of forgien capital. They can go after the Mafia, adopt quantative easing policies, ect. and the optics will certainly be on their side, but taking overtly anti-American moves will likely create a vicious cycle as it results in the US backing alternatives (Like Marquez, for example), thus obliging them to turn to the USSR for trade and defense which would oblige at least a superficial turn to Communism, which produces more US hatred, ect.
 
I agree that Cuba becoming communist is completely bonkers. Mainly because of Its proximity towards the US. How the hell can a country right next to America's doorstep become a communist ally of the Soviets? That's almost as impossible as Korea becoming capitalist. Almost.
 
Alberto Sicilia-Falcon would be an unlikely bet but still plausible, he ended up being a drug lord but under different circumstances maybe he could lead the Revolution?
 
That’s right, two different guys with the same name. The Yankees pitcher ended up third base coach for...lemme check...the White Sox. Wrong Sox. The other one was some mid-level bureaucrat in Cuba back in the day. That guy’s a milquetoast; him as dictator of Cuba under Moscow is insane.

Except Fidel Castro wasn't a communist - he was a fervent admirer of Benito Mussolini which is probably where his MP son got his neo-fascist politics from.

His son mentioned that his uncle Raul was an ardent communist however. Maybe Raul could have influenced Fidel's politics.
 
No way Cuba could go Communist. Military intervention wouldn't even be necessary to defeat a Communist regime. The US had an unbeatable weapon in the sugar quota. If the US cuts the quota, who is Cuba going to sell sugar to--the Soviet Union?! (The idea is so absurd that even the Cuban Communists never suggested it. For one thing, the USSR, if not self-sufficient in sugar, was itself a very large sugar producer; but of course even if it were economically feasible, a Cuban-Soviet league of any kind was politically unthinkable.)

As for that Castro guy who was killed in the shipwreck of his boat the *Granma* as he tried to re-enter Cuba from Mexican exile--I think his chances of coming to power were negligible, but in any event there is no way he was the "Communist" portrayed by Batista. Castro had been a member of the Ortodoxo party of the anti-communist Eddy Chibas. And as Castro noted in 1956, "What moral right does Senor Batista have to speak of Communism when he was the Presidential candidate of the Communist Party in the elections of 1940, when his electoral squibs hid behind the hammer and sickle, when his photographs hung next to those of Blas Roca [the Cuban Communist Party's general secretary] and Lazaro Peña [the Communist general secretary of the Cuban trade union federation from 1939 to 1947], when half a dozen of his present ministers and confidential collaborators were outstanding members of the Communist Party?" https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/isj/1970/no044/enzensberger.htm
 
Cuba goes communist? The US going communist is an easy way. 1946 coal/rail strikes is a good seed bed to develop a revolutionary capacity in the US working class movement.
 
Except Fidel Castro wasn't a communist - he was a fervent admirer of Benito Mussolini which is probably where his MP son got his neo-fascist politics from.

His son mentioned that his uncle Raul was an ardent communist however. Maybe Raul could have influenced Fidel's politics.

Calling Raul a communist is a bit of a stretch, I mean that guy moved to the US and was twice AUSA in for some district on the East Coast, and latter a Congressman for a while in the late nineties to early aughts (I mean, he's some to the left of Bernie Sanders, but still...).

Funnily, in between his AUSA terms, when he went back to private practice and he was the lead co-attorney, along with Roy Cohn of all people, in Donald Trump money laundering case back in 1985, in which Mr. Trump received a record 50 years sentence for his part in that Gotti owned Havana casino mess. Raul refuses to talk about his experience with such a... contrary client... in any interviews, though I think Cohn got worst of it, seeing how he quit law practice soon as the guilty verdict came in.
 
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