DBAHC: Ireland Screw

Ireland recently voted to leave the UK in the 2014 independence referendum and heads towards an uncertain future. It's often said that Ireland was the economic heartland of Britain, paying the way for war after disastrous war. With a population of 20 million, it certainly is a major country in its own right. The challenge, then, is to reduce the population of Ireland to under 5 million.
 
I'd say that real history was an Ireland screw. They were conquered by England, pressured to become Catholic and a lot of Irish nobles had their land and titles taken. Plus there was the Irish famine and the Troubles. To screw Ireland more would probably be Vlad Tepes worthy.
 
I'd say that real history was an Ireland screw. They were conquered by England, pressured to become Catholic and a lot of Irish nobles had their land and titles taken. Plus there was the Irish famine and the Troubles. To screw Ireland more would probably be Vlad Tepes worthy.

(OOC: ITTL there was no potato blight and no Troubles)
 
Well don't have them invade Post-Roman Bhreatain for a start, maybe keep the clanns divided for a few more centuries, wars and plagues aren't good for population, you know. That would also mean no Irish colonies in Éire Nua... which means no resources to buy out Scotland and the rest of Bhreatain. Under five million, though? That's tough. Maybe a mass exodus for some reason? Some weird famine or plague? Borders on ASB to just have a plague appear out of nowhere, though.
 
OOC: You don't get to determine that.

OOC: Don't really see how it would be possible to get Ireland's population above 20 million with the potato blight happening as in OTL. Besides, it makes no sense for the Troubles to happen since Ireland has just achieved peaceful independence ITTL for economic reasons.

IC: A thought I had jumbling around in my head is that during the French Revolution, the French intervention into Ireland works and they create a client state in part of Ireland- not technically the whole Eire, but a rump state called "Ireland."
 
OOC: Don't really see how it would be possible to get Ireland's population above 20 million with the potato blight happening as in OTL. Besides, it makes no sense for the Troubles to happen since Ireland has just achieved peaceful independence ITTL for economic reasons.

OOC: That's not your problem. You don't get to decide how this thread goes down, it's a collaboration. Someone cited a PoD hundreds of years ago, go with that.

There is a misunderstanding on this site of what a DBWI is supposed to be. Don't perpetuate it.
 
This is actually though, but my bet is that the peepz in the east (Britain), especially in London, should be meaner than OTL. As in ASB-level of meanness.
 
(OOC: ITTL there was no potato blight and no Troubles)

OOC: Makes sense to me!

OOC: That's not your problem. You don't get to decide how this thread goes down, it's a collaboration. Someone cited a PoD hundreds of years ago, go with that.

There is a misunderstanding on this site of what a DBWI is supposed to be. Don't perpetuate it.

OOC: TBH, I don't want to seem too argumentative here, but the truth is.....although collaboration is certainly the spirit of DBWIs, since Tripledot was the one who started the thread, he *is* allowed to have a degree of control over what's approved and what isn't.....at least within reason(in fact, that's usually how the best DBWIs turn out). With that said....

IC: Well, I'd imagine that you'd have to butterfly the compromises of the late 1790s, and 1820s, that started Ireland on the road to peace and prosperity, first of all. Wolfe Tone, after all, is hailed as a hero in both Britain and Ireland for a very good reason: he was the one who contributed the most to bringing peace and tranquility to the island.

But before that, the island was in turmoil after the American Revolution, and if Wolfe Tone had either been imprisoned, or died during the fighting, could that have potentially opened Ireland to a more successful Napoleonic intervention? Famous American historian Anthony P. O'Toole, of the University of California, San Jose, seems to think so.


And an Ireland that gives in to French meddling is likely going to be a poorer Ireland afterwards-and what of the potato blight bug that was discovered in Mexico in 1835? Might that become a problem there, as it eventually did in the U.S. region of New England, and Australia in the 1880s?
 
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