DBAHC: Hitler doesn't go communist

As we all know, Adolf Hitler became the Volksführer of the "German People's Republic" in 1935. A proud communist, his actions led to the "Second Great War" with Germany, USSR, Hungary and China fighting on one side and Japan, France, Italy, and the UK on the other/Allied side, ending in a stalemate . Many threads exist that revolve around the hypothetical total victory of the communist side (often known as "The Red Peril"), and there have even been books made about the subject, but I'm thinking about something different: what if Hitler never adopted communism? Now, I know what you guys might be thinking, "this is impossible!", or "is this another one of those "Notler" threads?", but bear with me here. Would he have even gotten into power if he wasn't a communist, or am I simply removing him of what made him Hitler to begin with? How would it have affected Germany's fate? Was the fall of Weimar inevitable?
 
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Communism might have survived longer. People generally lost their appetite for it once the gulags were discovered.
 

Dolan

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There will be no resurgent Papacy of Rome, for starter. A Fascist-leaning Hitler / Notler would be Mussolini's ally and even if Notler still going mad with his original-counterpart conquering spree in the name of Germany (instead of spreading communism and fighting against Capitalist bourgeois), I'm sure Mussolini would rather sit back at home and declaring neutrality, so Italy won't be invaded at all. Prefering to stay as dictator of Italy and live until ripe old age instead of being the first victim of Communist invasion.

Hitler's hatred for Catholicism is well known and Italy ends up taken by surprise German invasion in 1941, all while Soviet Union attack Scandinavians at the same time. The initial Italian incompetence caused the Fascist government to fall in quick succession, but everything changed when German communists tries to storm Vatican City when the Pope declares anti-communist Crusade and Italians (alongside with Catholic Europe) turned into religious fanatics literally overnight and start pushing against the Red Tide.

It ends with bloody battle after bloody battle, but the Crusader army finally take over Berlin, before marching into Moscow (with American help), and burned the Godless Communist Heathens in the field of fire that reminds everyone that why they were Fists of God used to smite the Heathens.

Sure, it ends up with the religious Cold War between The Catholic Church and the rest of the World, with Popes once again taking very active role upon the World Politics, leaving only Japan as the secular world leader as the rest of the world embroiled in widespread religious wars.

Anyway, Fascist Hitler might end up with better world, as the world will surely become far more secular than us now.
 
Communism might have survived longer. People generally lost their appetite for it once the gulags were discovered.
That's true, all those millions of Jews, Turkics, and dissidents massacred in the gulag system. Let us not forget the Caspian War, where the Communists slaughtered millions of innocent Persians, the Afghan Genocide, etc. What's also less known is the Japanese Genocide, where the Chinese, German and Russian troops tortured, raped, and slaughtered millions of Japanese soldiers and innocent civilians after their refusal to surrender. To be honest, I'm somewhat struggling to think of any way fascism could be perceived as worse than communism by any sane majority population. I mean, I know you get groups such as ANTIFA, but people generally don't take them seriously, thankfully. Regardless, it's frightening to see how many people actually defend communism following the war that we've had against it. I mean, it's fine to hold different opinions on the fascist powers and acknowledge their wrongs, but it cannot be denied that they at least tried to help immensely. I, for one, personally thank the vast resources of the British Empire for preventing the Sino-Soviet-German-Hungarian Pact from absolutely destroying the Axis Powers and taking control of European landmass and god knows where else.

I've seen some people suggest that Hitler would admire the British and hold a hatred for the Russians if he weren't communist, even going so far as to spread some sort of "Lebensraum" across the Slavic landmass, but I personally have my doubts on that. Hitler thought very highly of Russia, and he described Stalin as a "very close friend and ally." Indeed, he even recounted a possible first encounter with him from as early as 1913. On the other hand, Hitler absolutely loathed the United Kingdom and the British Empire, and even went as far as to describe Britain as his worst enemy. I don't even think I saw him comment too much on the British Empire when describing the years he believed in fascism, and he only described it in detail when harshly criticising it (when his beliefs started to develop into communism). I think that an alliance with the British would be one of reluctance even with a Fascist Hitler, and a conflict with Russia would be a war of politics rather than anything to do with race. I find it hard to imagine a scenario where Britain could be allied with the USSR, but Hitler might indeed strike up an alliance with Mussolini and Franco if that were the case.
 
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Before the wars he dabbled as a painter. Apparently these works are terrible but perhaps he gets better and becomes famous as a modern painter ‍?
 
Hitler would never go fascist. Fascists value order, tradition, nationalism, and religion. They are the complete opposite to what communists are.

It's more likely he goes liberal, as liberals have more in common with communists (horseshoe theory), which is why liberalism was so easily discredited postwar, and why countries like Britain anf America turned away from it.
 
Before the wars he dabbled as a painter. Apparently these works are terrible but perhaps he gets better and becomes famous as a modern painter ‍?

Hitler would never go fascist. Fascists value order, tradition, nationalism, and religion. They are the complete opposite to what communists are.

It's more likely he goes liberal, as liberals have more in common with communists (horseshoe theory), which is why liberalism was so easily discredited postwar, and why countries like Britain anf America turned away from it.

Both are very true. Perhaps he displays more interest in art from an early age than in [DB]OTL? Of course, that would have made him simply a less extreme socialist who would never make it in the history books, but I'm interested in seeing what would be of Germany was it not for Hitler? Hitler was a great orator and IMO the driving force for Germany becoming communist to begin with.

Possible ideas for a fascist Hitler: maybe he never joins the Navy, or he never befriends that Russian he met in Vienna who managed to help him recover from the very poor (financially) state he was in? It's quite hard to imagine a Hitler who hates Russians, as he made it very clear that he admired them greatly and considered the Russians a German friend. It was known that he was never fond of the Jews, so maybe that contempt is intensified? It's hard to say.
 

BigBlueBox

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What do you mean by liberal? It's true that the pinko liberals that wanted peace with Germany and the Soviets became political pariahs, but the laissez-faire capitalist liberals are doing fine.
 
@Arcvalons
What do you mean by liberal? It's true that the pinko liberals that wanted peace with Germany and the Soviets became political pariahs, but the laissez-faire capitalist liberals are doing fine.

I mean political liberals, the whole "human" rights, labour rights, free *everything*, crowd of entitled whiners. Such thinking leads to communism, which is why the UK for example banned Labour, Unions, and took a strict immigration policy against non-white immigrants. And why similar actions were taken in America under Presidents MacArthur and MacCarthy.
 

BigBlueBox

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I mean political liberals, the whole "human" rights, labour rights, free *everything*, crowd of entitled whiners. Such thinking leads to communism, which is why the UK for example banned Labour, Unions, and took a strict immigration policy against non-white immigrants. And why similar actions were taken in America under Presidents MacArthur and MacCarthy.
Labour voting against re-armament on the eve of the Second Great War and voting against the declaration of war itself effectively sealed the coffin for that party. Likewise, the Second General Strike the unions tried to organize during the war was rightfully seen as treason. But both Labour and the unions were full Reds, not liberals. It’s a great dishonor to Churchill to associate his former party with the likes of Hitler.
 
I remembered that Hitler was actually a spy for the fascist German Worker's Party. Was it possible for Hitler to somehow become influenced by them and become a fascist himself?
 
Hitler would never go fascist. Fascists value order, tradition, nationalism, and religion. They are the complete opposite to what communists are.

It's more likely he goes liberal, as liberals have more in common with communists (horseshoe theory), which is why liberalism was so easily discredited postwar, and why countries like Britain anf America turned away from it.

But the system he championed was rather close to the Juche form of communism rather than your typical forms of communism anyway.
 
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