Date slavery is abolished without sessession

Wthout slavery when is slavery abolished throughout the US


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Depends on what happens in 1860 instead of a Republican.

Without a major POD (as in changes to the point there might not be a Republican party - some other free-soil party forms), before 1865 is impossible.
 
It depends somewhat on whether you mean 'totally abolished', or 'renamed sharecropping, and sales pretty much end'.

While not legally slaves, sharecroppers were treated fairly close to that.
 
Given the truly massive amounts of gold that the US got out of California and the wealth of the nation as a whole, I could see a buyout solution taking place sometime in the 1870s or 1880s. I suspect there's a price in each slave state where a strong majority of slaveowners will sell out and slavery can be abolished within that state without significant bloodshed. If it is painted as a financial business deal rather than a moral crusade, such a solution, probably including repatriation of slaves (a Liberia wank?) might happen. Once it happens in a few states---probably first in the Northern slave states that didn't secede in OTL followed by Virginia most likely, it'll develop a momentum because it'll become fairly clear that the secession solution isn't viable.
 
1890 or so. Slavery is an embarrassment to the North by the 1860s and it is already trying to limit it to the West. By the 1890s it should have a large enough of a population and economic advantage even Southerners realize it is suicide to secede. At that time slavery is abolished.
 
If secession is avoided by something like the Crittenden Compromise or the Corwin Amendment, then it slavery would still exist. If not legally protected, then it would still exists today.

Best case, the border states start to end slavery in the 1890s. Deep South diehards will probably hold on as long as apartheid South Africa, so the last slaves will be nominally freed around the Bicentennial.
 
A lot will depend on how much slavery spreads to industry or not. If it stays limited to cotton, it probably can't survive past the boll weevil introduction. If it spreads to industry, it could get very chaotic. Poor whites won't be happy about being undercut in agriculture and in the city, which could turn to a lot of social unrest. Sooner or later the free states in the North and West are going to have a majority, and they'll only stomach the harmful effects of slavery for so long.
 
Delaware, Maryland and Missouri go during the 1860s. With the new Senate makeup, slavery is banned in DC, and possibly a defanged fugitive slave law. Kentucky and Tennesee in the 1870s, Virginia and possibly Arkansas in the 1880s. But Virginia is a different place than the states which went free previous; there's no way uncompensated manumission is getting through the state legislature, so all those planters will have to be payed from state funds. It'll break the state for at least a generation.

By this point, agricultural slavery has ceased to be profitable. The political tide has turned quite against slavery. I don't think the South will make a leap to some sort of industrial slavery (although obviously you can find other opinions on this board), but Virginia's example means they aren't willing to pay for it. So the remaining 8 or 9 slave states try to extort money for manumission from the Federal government - but being rid of that institution is likely to make the North happy enough they may go for it.
 
Southerners have been known to be pretty stubborn when it comes to their traditions, so slavery would last longer than you might think.
 

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Its hard to imagine an institution that would make america a pariah state abroad and create so much discord at home outlasting its profitability.

By the turn of the century slavery would be harming the majority of americans, disgusting the international community, and making money for almost no one. No amount of southern stubborness is gonna keep that evil going.
 
Given the truly massive amounts of gold that the US got out of California and the wealth of the nation as a whole, I could see a buyout solution taking place sometime in the 1870s or 1880s. I suspect there's a price in each slave state where a strong majority of slaveowners will sell out and slavery can be abolished within that state without significant bloodshed. If it is painted as a financial business deal rather than a moral crusade, such a solution, probably including repatriation of slaves (a Liberia wank?) might happen. Once it happens in a few states---probably first in the Northern slave states that didn't secede in OTL followed by Virginia most likely, it'll develop a momentum because it'll become fairly clear that the secession solution isn't viable.

The Liberia solution won't work as it is far too expensive. There are millions of slaves. Do you know how many ships that would take? If you figure 500 slaves per ship and 3,000,000 slaves that is 6,000 ship loads. More if you want the Abolishinists to sign on as they won't allow the high death toll they took getting here. You have to collect them, rail them to camps, board them on ships and if you want them to survive any decent length of time supply them. Do you have any idea how much money this would take? You could never get congress to cough up the money to do that.
 
Delaware, Maryland and Missouri go during the 1860s. With the new Senate makeup, slavery is banned in DC, and possibly a defanged fugitive slave law. Kentucky and Tennesee in the 1870s, Virginia and possibly Arkansas in the 1880s. But Virginia is a different place than the states which went free previous; there's no way uncompensated manumission is getting through the state legislature, so all those planters will have to be payed from state funds. It'll break the state for at least a generation.

By this point, agricultural slavery has ceased to be profitable. The political tide has turned quite against slavery. I don't think the South will make a leap to some sort of industrial slavery (although obviously you can find other opinions on this board), but Virginia's example means they aren't willing to pay for it. So the remaining 8 or 9 slave states try to extort money for manumission from the Federal government - but being rid of that institution is likely to make the North happy enough they may go for it.


Makes sense DE and MD would weaken slavery in VA. MO would weaken slavery in KY, AR, and TN particularly AR. KY and TN had less percentage of its population as slaves than the Deep South.
 
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