Dark Crescent Rising - A timeline of the Mande Empire

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Ibn Chaldun, Oct 21, 2018.

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  1. Wolttaire Kicked

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    Do not put up afritical obsalacts to slow there rise there will be many other things that will hamper them
    In the short temr trade up the sengal river could keep it afloat in the log term they will need to build more cities
     
  2. SwampTiger Well-Known Member

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    You are doing a good job of showing the struggles of early development. Strains are appearing in the economic and social fabric of empire. The manner in which the leaders address these strains will determine the future government, religion, and economy.

    Naval infrastructure takes time to develop. England had a deeper naval background but didn't really develop a powerful navy until the Tudors. The West African coast had no real seafaring tradition. It also had no reason to develop major coastal cities until trade with the Europeans. TTL allows a native African commercial center to develop and dominate the coastal trade.

    The Mande have products for trade: salt, cotton, cloth, paper, writing. It may develop additional goods: pottery, glass, sugar, flour, new crops.

    It isn't a wank if the Mande continue to have struggles within. Not every project is an unqualified success.
     
  3. Orisha91 Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of problems...

    I'm curious about how Ouali and Mukhtar feel about the emirate of Granada being encroached upon by the Christian powers of Iberia. I'm thinking the diplomatic corps that while the diplo corps are encouraging people to come to Mali, especially with them being more liberal than the north African Muslim powers, is Mali also lending warriors to the emirate to strengthen them?
     
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  4. Ibn Chaldun Death To Dill

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    The OTL fall of Granada is still over a century away. A lot will change until then. However you're right, the Andalusian court has probably the closest mindset to Mali in the Muslim World.


    Next chapter will focus a little on Ouali, who also is getting old and his sons - especially Abu. In other news, the Black Death is about to roll through the ME and Europe.
     
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  5. Wolttaire Kicked

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    Can’t wait for when the first disease outbreaks hit Mali from the jungle
     
  6. SwampTiger Well-Known Member

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    The Islamic World had a very good medical bag at the time. Some diseases will be too deadly to defeat, but many of these are too fast acting to become major plagues. The occurrence of diseases like ebola tend not to spread far, because the carriers die too quickly. Modern transportation tends to increase the speed of transmission outbreaks. Malaria, meningitis, diarrheal diseases, and parasites are known to the medical world of the time. Water travel will hasten the spread of outbreaks. The speed of this spread can be investigated in ancient and modern medical history.

    The real problem with water borne travel is the time factor to develop an entire base of knowledge. You are showing this in your story. Indeed, the most probable cause for the destruction of the Malian expeditions of OTL would have been sheer inexperience. Any unexpected problem becomes worse due to lack of preparation and experience. Each problem builds upon itself. If enough problems build up, a simple moderate storm will scatter and destroy large numbers of ships. Fewer ships in close proximity leads to further losses as troubles increase and less assistance is available.

    Note the Portuguese took from 1418 to 1444 to reach the Senegal. These were professional sailors trained in Mediterranean and north Atlantic sailing traditions.

    I am interested to see the message Muktari has for Ouali.
     
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  7. SwampTiger Well-Known Member

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  8. Wolttaire Kicked

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    could we get an update on the update?
     
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