CSA secedes in 1820

The Missouri compromise does not happens and because of tensions between Free and Slaves States, the Slave States secede and form the Confederate States of America. The separation is peaceful and the border to the West is set to be the Platte river, following the South Platte River to the border with Mexican lands in Colorado.

Is this possible?

How would North America develop? What's going to happen to Mexico? The USA will expand to Canadian great plains? Will the CSA have a Pacific port?
 
The Missouri compromise does not happens and because of tensions between Free and Slaves States, the Slave States secede and form the Confederate States of America. The separation is peaceful and the border to the West is set to be the Platte river, following the South Platte River to the border with Mexican lands in Colorado.

Is this possible?

How would North America develop? What's going to happen to Mexico? The USA will expand to Canadian great plains? Will the CSA have a Pacific port?


Peaceful? No.

When you say "slave states" secede, do you include Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware?

I doubt that the federal government would give up Arkansaw (the then proper spelling) Territory and Missouri Territory south of the 41st Parallel to the rebellous states. Also, w/o some fancy precision flying by the Butterflies of Time squadron, this CSA will not obtain a Pacific port. Neither is it likely that the USA of TTL will obtain any of the Canadian Great Plains (holding on to Oregon Country would be a challenge as well).
 
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as of 1820 there are only 23 states, there are 11 slave states, of those Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Tennessee seem iffy even Virginia isn't likely
 
Heck, at this point you've still got a lot of founding fathers alive-- Madison, Adams, and Jefferson come to mind. Imagine their reactions to this sort of thing.
 
no not really, they CSA only gets Arkansas, the USA gets Michigan, no Texas and No Florida.

Florida may become a territory of the CSA as I can't see the USA controlling it and avoiding Confederate troops to take it. And IIRC Texans were descendants of Southern Americans, so why wouldn't they join CSA.

How would the war develop?
 
Florida may become a territory of the CSA as I can't see the USA controlling it and avoiding Confederate troops to take it. And IIRC Texans were descendants of Southern Americans, so why wouldn't they join CSA.

How would the war develop?

Texas was a Republic, didn't join the USA till 1845, as for Florida the US Army is fighting the Second Seminole War there are 40,000 US Army boys down there (there are 57,000 people in Florida at the time) under Zachary Taylor
 
Monroe was President in 1820. He was from Virginia. So I would bet Virginia would stay. Jackson was a pro union man when he was President. I could see him in charge of the army that would keep the south in the union. Jackson would whip any one who would stand in his way. Not much of a war in 1820. The North or Union wins easy. As for Texas, Mexico just got its independence during that time period and few US citizens lived there. Unlike 1836 and the Texas revolution of that time period.
 
The Missouri compromise does not happens and because of tensions between Free and Slaves States, the Slave States secede and form the Confederate States of America. The separation is peaceful and the border to the West is set to be the Platte river, following the South Platte River to the border with Mexican lands in Colorado.

Is this possible?

How would North America develop? What's going to happen to Mexico? The USA will expand to Canadian great plains? Will the CSA have a Pacific port?

A long time ago, there was a pretty interesting TL (elsewhere on the web, not here) that used this POD. It was by a guy named Tommy Gehring, but I can't remember what it was called and it doesn't seem to be online anymore anyway.

From what I remember, all the slave states seceded and became the Confederation of American States (CAS). The CAS fillibustered its way into Texas and conquered California, while the USA eventually conquered all of Canada. The CAS ultimately conquered most of Mexico too, and tensions between the CAS and the Mexico remnant (allied to the USA) caused a World War I-analogue (beginning in 1914, I think; up until then, the two Americas actually never fought a war IIRC). The war pitted the CAS and its allies the UK and German Empire against the USA and its allies France and Russia, and it ended in the CAS victory. After the war the USA became a fascist dictatorship and the CAS went nuts conquering South America. The author finished it as far as the 1940's, then it stopped.

It probably sounds pretty ASBish, but it was very well done (it even had maps and flags!), and I remember really enjoying it. It must have been, oh, ten years ago since I read it, though.
 

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Well tacticly the war would resemble Napoleonic times, cavalry charges, muskets, squares, and none of those filthy springfield rifles around! :)
 
Texas was a Republic, didn't join the USA till 1845, as for Florida the US Army is fighting the Second Seminole War there are 40,000 US Army boys down there (there are 57,000 people in Florida at the time) under Zachary Taylor
And 36,000 or more were militia and volunteers, mostly from the South, as was every major leader of the troops except for Ethan Allen Hitchcock from Vermont and William Jenkins Worth from New York. At the start of this War the US Army had about 7700 men spread out from Seattle, Washington to Key West,Florida to Portland,Maine and every where in between. This war as every other war the US fought up to 1900 was fought by Militia or Volunteers.
 
Good POD. I don't know enough about the military factors in 1820 to say who I would back to win (I suppose it depends on which states actually secede), but if it's the North would it eventually lead to an earlier US-wide abolition of slavery (probably not until after Britain passes the Abolition Act in 1833)?

Could disgruntled supporters of a losing South head for Mexico (where slavery wasn't officially abolished until 1829), eventually rebelling and establishing a strongly pro-slavery and anti-US *Texas, maybe even, depending on how many upped sticks, *California too??
 
I dont think it really would be possible without railroads to transport men and supplies around. The distances were just to huge.
 
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