samcster94
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We all know the CSA hated black people, even for the standards of the time. What would a surviving CSA think of Jews, Latin Americans, Native Americans, Asians etc ...? I don't think it'd be pretty.
They didn't hate black people, They viewed them as inferiors.We all know the CSA hated black people
They did have good relations with Native Americans and viewed Jews positively. You might end up with CSA with the View that as long as your not black you are on pair with Whites.What would a surviving CSA think of Jews, Latin Americans, Native Americans, Asians etc ...? I don't think it'd be pretty.
I doubt that very much. The South was strongly Protestant, and Irish/Hispanic Catholics may see their religion being conflated with their race. Jews would probably do fine, but the good relations with the natives would last roughly as long as it took for white settlers to want their land, just as they did in the United States.They didn't hate black people, They viewed them as inferiors.
They did have good relations with Native Americans and viewed Jews positively. You might end up with CSA with the View that as long as your not black you are on pair with Whites.
Italians had it very bad in the South far into the 20th Century. There had been Anti- Italian lynchings. In one case 11 people had been lynched by a mob .And in this era, Irish, Italians, Eastern and Balkan Europeans as well...
And in this era, Irish, Italians, Eastern and Balkan Europeans as well...
Italians had it very bad in the South far into the 20th Century. There had been Anti- Italian lynchings. In one case 11 people had been lynched by a mob .
Sadly you are dealing from a false assumption. Slave owning Southerners did not hate blacks. Slave owners considered slaves as property. Does one hate his favorite horse or dog? Perhaps non slave owning Southerners had some resentment. Slaves were very expensive property. It took resources to maintain the quality of life of that said personal property. A rough comparison would be owning and maintaining 50 luxury automobiles.
I am not going to get involved in any discussion about how slaves were treated, partly because I do not know. What I do know is that there are far too many people who treat their pets terribly and abuse, starve or mutulate them.That's far too positive a picture. Look at how sadistic many slave owners could be - look at Edwin Epps (who apparently IRL was even worse than the film version, hard as that might be to believe). That wasn't just a case of seeing slaves as property or as inferior, based on what Northrup wrote that was him enjoying the ability to hurt and torment his slaves. And I'd say there were plenty of other slave owning Southerners who enjoyed having that power.
EDIT: Also, IIRC a penalty that could be and was meted out to slaves was mutilation - removal of extremities. Pretty sure that that didn't get done to 'favourite horses or dogs'.
The CSA planned to recruit black soldiers later once the war turned against them, but those plans never went forward. Also, just because a certain racial group served in the Confederate army doesn’t mean they would be at all inclined to reduce their antipathy to that group. Just ask the Union’s black soldiers (or the Irish) how much their lot improved after the war.Also note that Hispanic, Asian, Indian, and black all fought in the CS army according to pension records and personal testimonies.
I think they did raise a company or two of black soldiers who did nothing more than march through Richmond once or twice. But as for the other racial categories, discrimination against them was never set into law nor was it much of a societal issue. Latinos AFAIK weren't seen as a separate race back then, you could be Hispanic but also be white, Indian, black, or whatever. And I don't think Asians received much in the way of discrimination either, albeit mostly or entirely because there were so few in the east at this time that people generally didn't know what to think of them and there weren't enough Asian recruits on either side to form whole regiments of them so they fitted them in with the whites.The CSA planned to recruit black soldiers later once the war turned against them, but those plans never went forward. Also, just because a certain racial group served in the Confederate army doesn’t mean they would be at all inclined to reduce their antipathy to that group. Just ask the Union’s black soldiers (or the Irish) how much their lot improved after the war.
As I recall there were a few dozen or so Asians in the Union Army spread throughout various different regiments, most of these individuals being Chinese people who for whatever reason made their way out to the eastern states. IIRC there was one Chinese guy who was known for still wearing the Manchu queue who made a lot of white friends in his unit but unfortunately died at Gettysburg. As for the Confederate side, the sons of the famous Siamese Twins enlisted in the reb army as their fathers were both proud Southerners and slave owners in addition to being Thai immigrants, and I heard something about Filipinos and Chinese people arriving in New Orleans during the war being drafted into the reb army. As for Latinos, there were likely many in the regiments of some border states (in addition to there being several well known Hispanic individuals throughout both sides, the first Hispanic man to win the Medal of Honor was a Bostonian who yanked the flag right out the hands of a reb during Gettysburg despite himself also being a flag bearer. There were also several high ranking officers on both sides of Hispanic descent or origins.As far as I recall there is one instance of an Asian (Chinese) in the Union Army (in a Connecticut or RI unit I think). Never seen an Asian in a CS unit, but it is possible. Latinos would be in either a Texas or Florida unit, possibly a Louisiana unit.
I'm pretty sure the tribes who fought for the CS side were motivated less by the "enemy of my enemy" ideal (after all, many tribes up north fought for the north despite having previously been victims of the US government as well and the tribes evicted to Oklahoma were victimized by Southerners directly) and more by their own economic interests, namely slavery. The 5 Civilized Tribes practiced a lifestyle akin to that of the Southern whites who had been their neighbors including owning slaves.The native Americans who fought for the CS side were mostly out of the Indian Territory and this was a bit of the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" idea.
Sadly you are dealing from a false assumption. Slave owning Southerners did not hate blacks. Slave owners considered slaves as property. Does one hate his favorite horse or dog? Perhaps non slave owning Southerners had some resentment. Slaves were very expensive property. It took resources to maintain the quality of life of that said personal property. A rough comparison would be owning and maintaining 50 luxury automobiles.
The CSA planned to recruit black soldiers later once the war turned against them, but those plans never went forward. Also, just because a certain racial group served in the Confederate army doesn’t mean they would be at all inclined to reduce their antipathy to that group. Just ask the Union’s black soldiers (or the Irish) how much their lot improved after the war.
We all know the CSA hated black people, even for the standards of the time. What would a surviving CSA think of Jews, Latin Americans, Native Americans, Asians etc ...? I don't think it'd be pretty.
Italians had it very bad in the South far into the 20th Century. There had been Anti- Italian lynchings. In one case 11 people had been lynched by a mob .
Sadly you are dealing from a false assumption. Slave owning Southerners did not hate blacks. Slave owners considered slaves as property. Does one hate his favorite horse or dog? Perhaps non slave owning Southerners had some resentment. Slaves were very expensive property. It took resources to maintain the quality of life of that said personal property. A rough comparison would be owning and maintaining 50 luxury automobiles.
That's far too positive a picture. Look at how sadistic many slave owners could be - look at Edwin Epps (who apparently IRL was even worse than the film version, hard as that might be to believe). That wasn't just a case of seeing slaves as property or as inferior, based on what Northrup wrote that was him enjoying the ability to hurt and torment his slaves. And I'd say there were plenty of other slave owning Southerners who enjoyed having that power.
EDIT: Also, IIRC a penalty that could be and was meted out to slaves was mutilation - removal of extremities. Pretty sure that that didn't get done to 'favourite horses or dogs'.