Crusader Kings II - Paradox Entertainement (02/12)

Loving thes new heresy and reformation mechanics they've got for CK3.

True, there is a bit of a gamey aspect to this as it's basically "let's create our own religon!"... Especially considering certain tenets and doctrines look to have been just for the lulz (Just look at Carnal Exaltation)... But then again it's a game and let's face it: that was already a bit the case with Pagan Reformation in CK2. Plus, the etimology of Heresy is a word that means "choice", and it can be argued an heresiarchs is basically choosing which doctrines to follow.

Besides, it's not like they haven't made it easy to go completely off the rails: creating a Catholic heresy that's basically the cult of Slaaneesh isn't going to be cheap.
 
Loving thes new heresy and reformation mechanics they've got for CK3.

True, there is a bit of a gamey aspect to this as it's basically "let's create our own religon!"... Especially considering certain tenets and doctrines look to have been just for the lulz (Just look at Carnal Exaltation)... But then again it's a game and let's face it: that was already a bit the case with Pagan Reformation in CK2. Plus, the etimology of Heresy is a word that means "choice", and it can be argued an heresiarchs is basically choosing which doctrines to follow.

Besides, it's not like they haven't made it easy to go completely off the rails: creating a Catholic heresy that's basically the cult of Slaaneesh isn't going to be cheap.

And, the AI will stick to IRL heresies, so it's up to the player to decide whether to run a sex cult or not. It's something AARers and modders will love though, and it makes sense, since AARs and mods are a huge part of what makes Paradox what it is -a lot of people bought CK2 and HoI4 for GoT and Kaiserreich, after all.
 
Hey, I was wondering, Is the Nestorian Church a thing? Plus, Can I take of the Byzantine Empire and Beat of the Arabs in Crusader kings? If so, you have a convert~!
Edit: I just want to prove that the Byzantine empire could actually expand and was not doomed to annihilation!
 
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Hey, I was wondering, Is the Nestorian Church a thing? Plus, Can I take of the Byzantine Empire and Beat of the Arabs in Crusader kings? If so, you have a convert~!
1.) The Nestorian Church is a thing, not sure who starts out as Nestorian but you can become a Nestorian.
2.) You can restore the Byzantine Empire to greatness.
 
1.) The Nestorian Church is a thing, not sure who starts out as Nestorian but you can become a Nestorian.
2.) You can restore the Byzantine Empire to greatness.
Boo. Yaah.
Convert status acheived.
That's pretty cool! Also, what are the earliest start dates, and can you start at ANY date? Does the map change accordingly?
 
Boo. Yaah.
Convert status acheived.
That's pretty cool! Also, what are the earliest start dates, and can you start at ANY date? Does the map change accordingly?
The earlist start date is 769 though that requires the Charlagmane DLC. Though I don't actually care for it because I feel like CK2 doesn't handle the era well. Its better suited for the later eras. There is also 867, which requires the Old Gods DLC as well as 936 which everyone has access to and is probably the best Vanilla Early starts. The default start date though is 1066 which is pretty good. You can pick any start date between 1066 and 1337 and yes the map and characters change accordingly.

Admitably, I don't like doing custom start dates but then again I don't play vanilla but with the HIP mod which has bookmark dates between 936 and 1066 that are fun, such as the time of Cnute the Great.
 
1.) The Nestorian Church is a thing, not sure who starts out as Nestorian but you can become a Nestorian.
The Wiki lists the following interesting Nestorian rulers:
  1. Denah Yaballalah, Emir of Socotra in the 867 start
  2. Sartag Borjigin, Khagan of the Golden Horde on January 2, 1255
  3. Kitbuqa Noyan, High Chief of Aleppo on January 1, 1260
  4. Abaga Borjigin, Khagan of the Ilkhanate on January 1, 1279
That said these are probably challenge starts. Especially the Mongol ones given that they won't necessarilly stick to Nestorianism.

Otherwise, Nestorian rulers are probably located in the Middle East for the most part, specifically around Iraq and Syria.

Of course, Alternate Starts are also a possibility to play Nestorian. But that's Alternate Start: you don't play those for historical reasons, just for fun.
Which makes me think that I have a current alternate start run where Islam got completely destroyed by Nestorians and Miaphysites... I guess me picking a Shattered World 769 starts kinda screwed Islam over but I wasn't expecting it to go this far. Nestorian Persia was certainly not something I expected to see...
 
I have started an Ironman game as Tibet on the 769 start date with an eye to conquering Pakistan and possibly Mongolia as well [hopefully with a Civil War thrown in too]...anyone got any strategy ideas?
 
I keep debating which ck2 AAR scenario I should go with. I wonder what scenario people think is best. This would be a narrative character focused AAR and be using HIP as well as a few other mods.

1.) starting as one of the Taifia Emirs in the Taifia King start date(30 Novemeber 1031). The goal would be to restore Al Andalus to glory and if possible restore the Umayyad dynasty to power and depose the Abbasid and Fatimid caliphates. The family would not be the Umayyad themselves but a family that strongly supported them. That is the inital backstory of the family.

2.) Nomadic transition. Starting in 936 as the Qipchaqs. more free form then Taifa, the idea is to show the transition of a clan from nomadic horse lords on the steppe to a settled people and the religious transformation that comes with it; starting as Tengrism but then becoming muslims.

3.) Khwarazmian Empire: Starting in 1157, the Seljuk turks have fallen and the empire is squabling. The idea here is to well found a new Iranian empire that would be stand strong. oh and don't die to the Mongols.
 
Well, the fact Confucianism is at the base game and the map goes to encompass all of Mongolia and Tibet implies to me that more bits of Western China would be included (Gansu, Sichuan, and Yunnan probably being in-map).
They said no China at launch, which makes me curious how Mongolia will be repersented.
 
I briefly did a Jewish wank with a fictional Jewish lord who carved out an empire, (un)fortunately he got the Alexander bloodline quest early and established the bloodline, so basically by generation 8, the Empire of Israel was one of three Hyperpowers in the Old World, the other two being the Mongol Empire and the Aztec Empire based in Norway.

So I got bored with it and did a new game with a Greek start in the Latin Empire scenario, I've carved out a 'Kingdom of Greece and Epirus', the Latin and Nicaean Empires are dying on the vine (my main rivals are a Catholic Anatolian Kingdom, the Sunni Persian Empire, the Kingdom of Bulgaria-Antioch, and an Orthodox Egypt), but the Aztec AND the Mongols have emerged, which is my fault because I forgot to turn off the Sunset Invasion DLC (again).

So the former Byzantium Empire is a BIT of a mess right now.
 
The Wiki lists the following interesting Nestorian rulers:
  1. Denah Yaballalah, Emir of Socotra in the 867 start
  2. Sartag Borjigin, Khagan of the Golden Horde on January 2, 1255
  3. Kitbuqa Noyan, High Chief of Aleppo on January 1, 1260
  4. Abaga Borjigin, Khagan of the Ilkhanate on January 1, 1279
That said these are probably challenge starts. Especially the Mongol ones given that they won't necessarilly stick to Nestorianism.

Otherwise, Nestorian rulers are probably located in the Middle East for the most part, specifically around Iraq and Syria.

Of course, Alternate Starts are also a possibility to play Nestorian. But that's Alternate Start: you don't play those for historical reasons, just for fun.
Which makes me think that I have a current alternate start run where Islam got completely destroyed by Nestorians and Miaphysites... I guess me picking a Shattered World 769 starts kinda screwed Islam over but I wasn't expecting it to go this far. Nestorian Persia was certainly not something I expected to see...
Huh, the Emir of Socotra was Nestorian? would not have expected taht
 
I briefly did a Jewish wank with a fictional Jewish lord who carved out an empire, (un)fortunately he got the Alexander bloodline quest early and established the bloodline, so basically by generation 8, the Empire of Israel was one of three Hyperpowers in the Old World, the other two being the Mongol Empire and the Aztec Empire based in Norway.

So I got bored with it and did a new game with a Greek start in the Latin Empire scenario, I've carved out a 'Kingdom of Greece and Epirus', the Latin and Nicaean Empires are dying on the vine (my main rivals are a Catholic Anatolian Kingdom, the Sunni Persian Empire, the Kingdom of Bulgaria-Antioch, and an Orthodox Egypt), but the Aztec AND the Mongols have emerged, which is my fault because I forgot to turn off the Sunset Invasion DLC (again).

So the former Byzantium Empire is a BIT of a mess right now.
understandable... :)
 
I briefly did a Jewish wank with a fictional Jewish lord who carved out an empire, (un)fortunately he got the Alexander bloodline quest early and established the bloodline, so basically by generation 8, the Empire of Israel was one of three Hyperpowers in the Old World, the other two being the Mongol Empire and the Aztec Empire based in Norway.

So I got bored with it and did a new game with a Greek start in the Latin Empire scenario, I've carved out a 'Kingdom of Greece and Epirus', the Latin and Nicaean Empires are dying on the vine (my main rivals are a Catholic Anatolian Kingdom, the Sunni Persian Empire, the Kingdom of Bulgaria-Antioch, and an Orthodox Egypt), but the Aztec AND the Mongols have emerged, which is my fault because I forgot to turn off the Sunset Invasion DLC (again).

So the former Byzantium Empire is a BIT of a mess right now.
Could you perhaps explain the 'Sunset invasion' DLC? I was wanting to get Crusaders Kings and wanted to know if that would be a good DLC to get!
 
Could you perhaps explain the 'Sunset invasion' DLC? I was wanting to get Crusaders Kings and wanted to know if that would be a good DLC to get!

It's literally a 'What If' scenario in which the Aztecs (somehow) tech up to the point where they discover the 'Old World' instead of the other way around and invade Europe in the middle ages. If you buy it and have it on they usually invade in the 13th century, but you can set it at random so they'll show up earlier. if you buy it and forget to turn it off you can get a NASTY surprise when you have a 150thousand plus army randomly invade and take EVERYTHING!
 
It's literally a 'What If' scenario in which the Aztecs (somehow) tech up to the point where they discover the 'Old World' instead of the other way around and invade Europe in the middle ages. If you buy it and have it on they usually invade in the 13th century, but you can set it at random so they'll show up earlier. if you buy it and forget to turn it off you can get a NASTY surprise when you have a 150thousand plus army randomly invade and take EVERYTHING!
I never play with it on as it is ASB. Mind you I do get what they were going for. Namely that the eastern half of the map has to deal with the Mongols while the western half does not. still I don't care for it.
 
The known world, following the death of Emperor Diego "the Holy":
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Diego had been the fourth Emperor of Hispania, but he was the first to officially proclaim the Empire of Carpathia. Due to the laws of gavelkind, this guaranteed that his domains would be split up upon the end of his reign, with his eldest son Fadrique inheriting Hispania and his second son Rodrigo taking Carpathia. Diego's third son Tello is now king of Galicia, and the fourth brother, Sancho, inherited the duchy of Valencia.

This is a time of religious turmoil. Emperor Diego's predecessors had been firmly Catholic, but prior to his accession he fell in with the Old Christians. Early in his reign he, as did the rest of the secret society, proclaimed his true Orthodox faith, and he devoted much effort to converting his subjects as well. One subject with whom he had no success, though, was his heir Fadrique, who remained Catholic until, shortly before Diego's death, a wave of Monothelitism swept the imperial court. From this Emperors Fadrique and Rodrigo are now Monothelites, while their brothers and their sister Mencia remain Orthodox.

But this is by no means the whole of the House of Jimena, which at the moment counts 176 living members. Notable relations include:

Count Alvaro of Almansa, offspring of a matrilineal marriage between the previous Count of Almansa and the younger daughter of Count Gonzalo of Marrakech, who despite being the firstborn son of Emperor Fernando II predeceased him and left no sons. This branch of the family was consequently supplanted in the imperial succession.

Count Alfonso of Soria, until about two years ago King of Galicia. His mother's father Hugo was appointed King of Galicia to ensure that his inheritance of France would be as a Hispanian vassal. (Hugo's wife was a daughter of Emperor Fernando I, married matrilineally.) Soria was not originally part of this patrimony, though: it was once held by Alfonso's half-brother, who died in prison with no descendants or close relatives on his father's side of the family, and thus had his lands taken by his mother.

Duke Antso of Beja, also Count of Zaragoza. Emperor Fernando I granted Zaragoza to a grandson of King Gartzia V of Navarre, and it passed to his daughter, then to her son (in the male line, a grandson of King Sancho of Aragon), who was awarded the duchy, then to his son Antso. Interestingly, Alagón and Caspe, despite being within the county of Zaragoza, have never sworn allegiance to this line of counts, instead owing homage to Navarre. I think it's an artifact of AI-controlled Castile and Navarre running two simultaneous holy wars and thereby effecting a partition of the area.

King Fruela of Poland. His grandmother was a daughter of Emperor Fernando I who matrilineally married the heir to the throne of... Serbia! Her son was granted Poland after a revocation to ensure his lands didn't go independent. Fruela has never ruled Serbia, thanks to a faction-backed usurpation, but he still holds court in Ras. Yeah, there's a lot of border gore.

Count Gutierre of Orleans, formerly King of France. His prospects as a ruler once looked much better than they turned out. His mother was the Duchess of Sicily, but she was overthrown in 1194 by Waldensian rebels who, as far as I can tell, just sat on Malta long enough to win the war and take the whole duchy. He inherited France from his father, who got it upon the death of his father, Emperor Rodrigo, but was himself overthrown by one of his vassals in 1202. Maybe because he's slow and ugly.

Queen Inés of Lusitania. Only legitimate child of her mother, the elder daughter of Fernando II's third son's only son. She's the daughter of Count Alfonso of Soria and the wife of Duke Sancho of Valencia.

Duchess Jimena of Granada. She gets her lands from her mother's side, where she's the great-great-granddaughter of King Sancho of Aragon, but her father was also a Jimena, officially: he was King Fruela's elder brother, who predeceased their father.

Count Ramiro of Ponthieu. His father was a younger brother of King Fruela who got Ponthieu from his father by unexplained means.

Queen Toda of Valencia. Queen Inés's aunt, who also holds her kingdom through the partition of Fernando II's lands.

Duke Alfonso of Franconia, great-grandson of Emperor Fernando I's sister, who matrilineally married into the Salian dynasty. This branch of the family also inherited the county of Olomouc.

Wali Bishoi of Shahr-e Sukhteh. Yes, he's part of my dynasty. He's a great-grandson of the first King of Jerusalem (the product of a matrilineal marriage between Emperor Fernando I's other sister and a son of Leofwine Godwinsson), who kept a ducal-level throne after the Fatimids reconquered the Holy Land and saw his family members appointed to diverse other positions within the Caliphate. Another branch of this same family returned to Hispania and received the duchy of Etelköz in an unsuccessful attempt to see the Duchy of Jerusalem return to Christendom through natural inheritance, and although that title was lost to a vassal uprising those cousins retain a barony within the Empire.

Duke Diego of Brittany, offspring of a matrilineal marriage between the previous Duke of Brittany and a daughter of Emperor Fernando II.

King Gartzia VII of Navarre. Though Navarre has continuously been Jimena-ruled since 905, the legitimate descendants of Gartzia V are now extinct in the male line, and Gartzia VII is the paternal great-great-great-grandson instead of King Sancho of Aragon.

King Guillén of Hungary. Great-grandson of the Piast scion I enfeoffed with Hungary (and later Granada) to allow the incorporation of Poland. His grandfather matrilineally married Fernando II's granddaughter (by his third son).

Countess Inés of El-Arish, daughter of a beneficiary of the Second Crusade, kin to the then-king of Aragon.

Count Johann of Monreal, a beneficiary of the Third Crusade, son of a matrilineally married daughter of the aforementioned King Hugo.

Count Martín of Plock, uncle of King Guillén. His father held Plock as part of the spoils of a holy war against the pagans and passed it down upon death.

And, by the way, some guy showed up to wage war on Jiuquan about six months ago. I'm kind of excited about that for some reason.
 
The known world, following the death of Emperor Diego "the Holy":
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Diego had been the fourth Emperor of Hispania, but he was the first to officially proclaim the Empire of Carpathia. Due to the laws of gavelkind, this guaranteed that his domains would be split up upon the end of his reign, with his eldest son Fadrique inheriting Hispania and his second son Rodrigo taking Carpathia. Diego's third son Tello is now king of Galicia, and the fourth brother, Sancho, inherited the duchy of Valencia.

This is a time of religious turmoil. Emperor Diego's predecessors had been firmly Catholic, but prior to his accession he fell in with the Old Christians. Early in his reign he, as did the rest of the secret society, proclaimed his true Orthodox faith, and he devoted much effort to converting his subjects as well. One subject with whom he had no success, though, was his heir Fadrique, who remained Catholic until, shortly before Diego's death, a wave of Monothelitism swept the imperial court. From this Emperors Fadrique and Rodrigo are now Monothelites, while their brothers and their sister Mencia remain Orthodox.

But this is by no means the whole of the House of Jimena, which at the moment counts 176 living members. Notable relations include:

Count Alvaro of Almansa, offspring of a matrilineal marriage between the previous Count of Almansa and the younger daughter of Count Gonzalo of Marrakech, who despite being the firstborn son of Emperor Fernando II predeceased him and left no sons. This branch of the family was consequently supplanted in the imperial succession.

Count Alfonso of Soria, until about two years ago King of Galicia. His mother's father Hugo was appointed King of Galicia to ensure that his inheritance of France would be as a Hispanian vassal. (Hugo's wife was a daughter of Emperor Fernando I, married matrilineally.) Soria was not originally part of this patrimony, though: it was once held by Alfonso's half-brother, who died in prison with no descendants or close relatives on his father's side of the family, and thus had his lands taken by his mother.

Duke Antso of Beja, also Count of Zaragoza. Emperor Fernando I granted Zaragoza to a grandson of King Gartzia V of Navarre, and it passed to his daughter, then to her son (in the male line, a grandson of King Sancho of Aragon), who was awarded the duchy, then to his son Antso. Interestingly, Alagón and Caspe, despite being within the county of Zaragoza, have never sworn allegiance to this line of counts, instead owing homage to Navarre. I think it's an artifact of AI-controlled Castile and Navarre running two simultaneous holy wars and thereby effecting a partition of the area.

King Fruela of Poland. His grandmother was a daughter of Emperor Fernando I who matrilineally married the heir to the throne of... Serbia! Her son was granted Poland after a revocation to ensure his lands didn't go independent. Fruela has never ruled Serbia, thanks to a faction-backed usurpation, but he still holds court in Ras. Yeah, there's a lot of border gore.

Count Gutierre of Orleans, formerly King of France. His prospects as a ruler once looked much better than they turned out. His mother was the Duchess of Sicily, but she was overthrown in 1194 by Waldensian rebels who, as far as I can tell, just sat on Malta long enough to win the war and take the whole duchy. He inherited France from his father, who got it upon the death of his father, Emperor Rodrigo, but was himself overthrown by one of his vassals in 1202. Maybe because he's slow and ugly.

Queen Inés of Lusitania. Only legitimate child of her mother, the elder daughter of Fernando II's third son's only son. She's the daughter of Count Alfonso of Soria and the wife of Duke Sancho of Valencia.

Duchess Jimena of Granada. She gets her lands from her mother's side, where she's the great-great-granddaughter of King Sancho of Aragon, but her father was also a Jimena, officially: he was King Fruela's elder brother, who predeceased their father.

Count Ramiro of Ponthieu. His father was a younger brother of King Fruela who got Ponthieu from his father by unexplained means.

Queen Toda of Valencia. Queen Inés's aunt, who also holds her kingdom through the partition of Fernando II's lands.

Duke Alfonso of Franconia, great-grandson of Emperor Fernando I's sister, who matrilineally married into the Salian dynasty. This branch of the family also inherited the county of Olomouc.

Wali Bishoi of Shahr-e Sukhteh. Yes, he's part of my dynasty. He's a great-grandson of the first King of Jerusalem (the product of a matrilineal marriage between Emperor Fernando I's other sister and a son of Leofwine Godwinsson), who kept a ducal-level throne after the Fatimids reconquered the Holy Land and saw his family members appointed to diverse other positions within the Caliphate. Another branch of this same family returned to Hispania and received the duchy of Etelköz in an unsuccessful attempt to see the Duchy of Jerusalem return to Christendom through natural inheritance, and although that title was lost to a vassal uprising those cousins retain a barony within the Empire.

Duke Diego of Brittany, offspring of a matrilineal marriage between the previous Duke of Brittany and a daughter of Emperor Fernando II.

King Gartzia VII of Navarre. Though Navarre has continuously been Jimena-ruled since 905, the legitimate descendants of Gartzia V are now extinct in the male line, and Gartzia VII is the paternal great-great-great-grandson instead of King Sancho of Aragon.

King Guillén of Hungary. Great-grandson of the Piast scion I enfeoffed with Hungary (and later Granada) to allow the incorporation of Poland. His grandfather matrilineally married Fernando II's granddaughter (by his third son).

Countess Inés of El-Arish, daughter of a beneficiary of the Second Crusade, kin to the then-king of Aragon.

Count Johann of Monreal, a beneficiary of the Third Crusade, son of a matrilineally married daughter of the aforementioned King Hugo.

Count Martín of Plock, uncle of King Guillén. His father held Plock as part of the spoils of a holy war against the pagans and passed it down upon death.

And, by the way, some guy showed up to wage war on Jiuquan about six months ago. I'm kind of excited about that for some reason.
Hey, Is that the ERE still alive and kicking? How did you manage that?
 
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