Crusader Kings II - Paradox Entertainement (02/12)

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  1. Planet of Hats Chartreuse Smoking Mirror Donor

    May 10, 2016
    Land of Rust and Snow
    More Pomeranians!!

    * Mieszko the Wise
    Emperor of Slavia (May 23, 1129 - March 3, 1168)
    King of Pòmòrskô (May 23, 1129 - March 3, 1168)
    King of the Danes (May 23, 1129 - March 3, 1168)
    King Consort of Andalusia (1135-1159)
    King of Andalusia (1161)
    Count Consort of Kanin (1159-1168)

    Mateja's only son took the throne under a shadow: While talented and brilliant, he had produced no male heir. But that was remedied a year later, when Queen Wszebora gave birth to a bouncing baby boy, Wlodzimierz.

    Mieszko set out to spend his reign as a rebuilder and a restorer, working to restore the prosperity lost during the Plague. He began his rein by pouring thousands of gold coins out of Slavia's treasury into the construction of new walls and town facilities, creating new, modern housing to replace buildings torn down during the outbreak. Many old street plans in Pomerania today date from Mieszko's era.

    The sole early foreign engagement Mieszko pressed was a war to bring part of Lettigalia into the empire. With much of Livonia willingly swearing fealty to the Slavic throne, Mieszko sent a small army to the gates of Selpils, ejecting a pagan ruler and installing a Christian one. These holdings in Lettigalia were divided by the scant holdings of the rightful Lithuanian King, who seethed at Mieszko's interference and refused to swear vassalage. Mieszko passed on the chance to war with him and simply let him cool his heels.

    In 1135, Mieszko's wife died suddenly, evidently on the orders of his son-in-law, Prince Karlmann of the Holy Roman Empire - heir apparent to the rule of that entity. Mieszko himself was an honest man and no plotter, and no conclusive proof could be found on which to arrest Karlmann. Mieszko thus set out to chastise Karlmann another way: He broke ground on a new church in the far south of Poland, near the border of Carpathia, which he named the Church of Saint Felicitas, an early Christian martyr. Meanwhile, Mieszko acknowledged the birth of a bastard son, Milzas, before moving to betrothe himself to Elodie, the 15-year-old Duchess of Granada, not admiring her as a person or a beauty so much as an opportunity to birth a second son into a powerful ruling position in Andalusia - Elodie was the most powerful landholder in Andalusia at the time, with more land to her name than the King. While their eventual child was likely not Mieszko's - the two spent most of their reigns apart - Mieszko claimed the resulting daughter, whom he named Lidia.

    Meanwhile, the opening of the new church at Zywiec was heralded as a splendid occasion - and a smirking Mieszko celebrated by proclaiming Prince Karlmann its first bishop. The protesting heir was promptly put under de facto house arrest in the church as Mieszko unilaterally made him a bishop and disqualified him from his birthright.

    By 1138, his marriage to Elodie drew Mieszko into Andalusian politics. He joined Queen Glod of Sheffield Sweden that summer in declaring a quixotic war against King Sigismond the Black, who had been excommunicated. Slavic troops stormed the Andalusian capital at Murcia in 1139 but found Sigismond absent, and Mieszko ordered his men back onto the ships after hearing word of the monarch's real whereabouts: In Amiens, warring with the Duke of Picardy. Sigismond started south soon enough, though - but just as Mieszko disembarked his forces to meet him at Bordeaux, a papal legate arrived with word of the lifting of Sigismond's excommunication, and Mieszko returned home disappointed. He would sate himself by walking the Way of Saint James the next year.

    Word came down in the winter of 1140 of the beatification of King Mscislaw, the man installed by Mieszko's mother to rule Hungary. Mieszko smiled patiently and returned to his life of meddling in Iberian politics and sleeping with everyone but his wife.

    In 1142, with Slavia finalizing the capture of Finnmark from the Sami, a Crusade was called with eyes on Jerusalem. With the Abbasid Caliphate fracturing under the weight of its own decadence, Mieszko sent word that Slavia would carry the cross and the sword, but even with the fracturing of the Caliphate, the Islamic world was massing to meet Christendom's host. The refusal of West Francia to join the war left Christendom outmanned.

    But the objective of the voyage quickly changed when Mayor Radomil of Odense, then the Grand Mayor of the Sealand Republic, urged the Crusaders to instead support the claim of Princess Anthe Radenos to the throne of the Eastern Roman Empire. She was the eldest daughter of the Emperor Methodios, a man who had spent the Empire into debt but whom Mieszko had no quarrel with.

    Furious at the Crusaders, Mieszko withdrew his pledge to the Crusade, but he could not prevent his vassals from sailing off to Thrace to wage war in the name of the Cross. Finally, word of the inevitable came: The Crusaders breached the walls of Constantinople herself on October 24, 1145. Princess Anthe was killed in the course of the siege, and Pope Clement II himself retained control of the Queen of Cities, declaring Thrace a protectorate of the Papacy and the schism between Latin and Greek Christianity to be ended. Methodios himself was left clinging to a single barony in the Littoral, and the Eastern Roman Empire shattered into a thousand principalities.

    Hoping at least to recover a shred of Christendom's dignity, Mieszko marched his men to war to drive the Khazars from Lesser Poland in 1147. That war ended within months when the elderly Khagan Menumarot simply brought his entire horde to bear, only for the armies of Pomerania to butcher about half of them. A series of quick sieges left this land, cut off by the Carpathians from the rest of Khazaria, under Slavic lordship.

    Years of quiet followed in Slavia, interrupted mainly by the winged hussars traveling to Sweden to contribute to the slow stamping-out of the pretenders of Swithjod.

    In 1155, word came down that an ambitious adventurer, Alain de Vasconia, was attempting to assemble an army of tens of thousands to invade Slavia. That lasted roughly until he died of a snakebite, and all returned to peace as Mieszko focused on improving his demesne keeps. The next year, another interloper met a dire end: The chronicler Jakusz of Streltza tells of the execution of "the Moorish lord, Salim," apparently one of several Barbary pirates captured attempting to sack Rastoku. It was also in this period that Mieszko's son-in-law, Borut, was placed on the throne of Lithuania by a palace coup, bringing that kingdom into the fold - but with Mieszko's seemingly-infertile daughter Malgorzata (described as "a giantess") unable to give him an heir, and with most of the duchies in that land answering to Mieszko rather than Borut, risk existed that the crown could pass out of Slavia again.

    Most of Mieszko's affairs in this period seem to have been both personal and literal: He and Empress Elodie, ruling apart and usually separate, both apparently pursued numerous side affairs, ultimately growing to despise each other. Mieszko spent much of his time in those days overseeing construction of a new tower on the island of Rana, increasing the number of forts under his direct command. However, Elodie's death in 1159 due to a bad case of the flu left Mieszko's second legitimate son, five-year-old Udalrich, to rule in Granada. Ever eager to spread his seed, Mieszko quickly arranged a marriage to Tikshayka, the countess of the distant Kanin Peninsula - a rare appearance for the Nenets people in this part of history.

    Of course, Mieszko promptly ruined that marriage, largely by cuckolding his son and siring another bastard upon his daughter-in-law Mala.

    The sudden murder of Mieszko's son Udalrich in 1161 brought Granada under Mieszko's stewardship. With little desire to rule such a distant land himself, Mieszko granted his new holdings in Cordoba, Granada and Jaen to his bastard son Bartosz, then crowned him King of Andalusia and sent him on his way.

    With Slavia's tributaries in Galicia-Volhynia at war to seize land on the Black Sea from the Khazars, Mieszko loaded his troops onto the ships and set sail. The war quickly resulted in the lands northwest of the peninsula, once steppeland, coming into the Galician realm.

    Ultimately, a wave of camp fever sweeping Slavia claimed Mieszko when his court physician chose to treat him by cutting his eye out. An ailing Mieszko ordered the bishop executed, but it wasn't enough to save his own life, and he passed cursing the name of the churchman who maimed him, leaving behind children by at least four wives and countless more lovers, a stronger Slavia and a son on the throne of Andalusia.
  2. Drunkrobot Well-Known Member

    Oct 5, 2014
    Wales, Unfortunately
    So I started out as Count of Brabant, planning to crown myself King of Lotharingia and carve out a Dutch state between France and the HRE. Then my brother, whom I had earned a dukedom in Jerusalem for in the First Crusade, died without an heir, giving it to me. I thus handed off the lands in Germany to focus on conquering the Near East, starting off by rerouting the Northern Crusade to Egypt and finding a beneficiary in my childless, post-menopausal sister. There were a few tight moments with the Muslims trying to take back the Holy Land, but after inheriting Egypt and the Abbasids collapsed with Decadence it's been a cakewalk, now it's 1213 and almost all of the Arabian Peninsula is under my rule.

    I'm interested in taking up a secret religion, maybe Judaism, just to explore the mechanics of another religion and secret cults a bit. It'd be nice getting the achievement for rebuilding the temple, and I should probably pay some more attention to who my vassals are.
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  3. Homer Simpson & the Brain World Conquering Drunk *burp*

    Mar 9, 2015
    As a rule of thumb, is looking at a modern population density map a good way to guess where Norse immigration would either end up part of a melting pot with the local culture or replace it?

    Of course taking into account both the size of the region and its distance from Scandinavia.
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  4. Tal Shiar Chairman of the Supreme Council of the Tal Shiar

    Nov 19, 2016
    The only good move is to go west, subjugate Toltec Empire and establish Norse Empire of Mexico! Unfortunately, it is impossible in vanillia Crusader Kings II.
  5. Neoteros Dux Mediolani

    Feb 26, 2007
    Duchy of Milan
    The updated GoT mod came out, but the portraits look disembodied or something
  6. Planet of Hats Chartreuse Smoking Mirror Donor

    May 10, 2016
    Land of Rust and Snow
    More Slavs!

    * Wlodzimierz I, or Wlodzimierz the Holy
    Emperor of Slavia (March 3, 1168 - October 8, 1182)
    King of Pòmòrskô (March 3, 1168 - October 8, 1182)
    King of the Danes (March 3, 1168 - October 8, 1182)

    The first thing Wlodzimierz did upon his inheritance was order his men to chop his adulterous wife Mala's head off.

    His second act was to rein in a stubborn band of Barbary pirates which had taken to roaming inland Slavia. The band was chased down in a series of running battles and butchered to a man.

    An ongoing war in Sweden into which Slavia had been roped and the continued wave of camp fever sweeping the Pomeranian coast forced Wlodzimierz to the humiliating spectacle of being crowned on a muddy battlefield at the tail end of autumn. Freezing and bitter, he oversaw the trip northward of the winged hussars to subdue pagan Angermanland.

    Upon reaching out to his half-brother in Andalusia, Wlodzimierz was surprised to find Bartosz had come to refer to himself as Bartush in some quarters: He'd become enamored of the ways of the Mozarabic communities of his new kingdom and embraced their ways and language. His people referred to his reign as the rule of the Saqaliba - the Slavs. As such, the rule of Pomeranian-descended rulers in Andalusia is known as the Saqlabid Period.

    In 1170, a wave of Khazars descended on Slavia, but were routed quickly. A few years of peace followed, with Wlodzimierz sponsoring the construction of new hospitals in Pomerania. The commons earned most of a decade of quiet, with only the Winged Hussars traveling north to Sweden to help subdue a rebellion.

    Word came down in 1177 of the call to Crusade once more. With little interest in seating a man in Jerusalem, Wlodzimierz interceded with Pope Sylvester III to seek a Crusade to liberate the Ruthenes from the Khazar Yoke and drive the Jews from Slavia's border. A generous donation to the Crusade war chest swayed the pontiff, and Wlodzimierz began making plans to enthrone his brother Oldrich.

    In a rare show of courage, Wlodzimierz himself led Pomerania's armies into Ruthenia. He met the armies of Khagan Kamaj head-on at the Battle of Slutsk, in which 50,000 men fought, but the speed and courage of the Khazar cavalry couldn't match the numbers and discipline of the Pomeranians. Wlodzimierz led the host to victory and pursued them over the Pripyat River to Korosten, leading the host in a continued series of engagements against the Khazar horde.

    Word soon came, on April 21, 1180, that the Crusade had been won. Wlodzimierz received word while campaigning outside Hubyn, locked in battle with the Bulanid Khazars. Oldrich was hustled to that city and crowned in a splendid ceremony - Kiev itself remained subject to a single pagan chief and would likely soon fall, in any case.

    The crusade established what Wlodzimierz hoped it would: It put a Christian buffer state between him and the nomadic steppe. But he would not live long enough to enjoy it: While on campaign to liberate Latgale from the Khazars, Wlodzimierz was cut down on the battlefield in a Khazar ambush at Jersika. His son, also named Wlodzimierz, was left to succeed him.
  7. Xibalba Post Punk Malone

    Sep 1, 2011
    The 2110, Belgium
    My Sardinian Campaign is nearing it's end, but I'm pretty content with what I managed to cobble together. I'm spending the last of my time focusing on pushing the enormous HRE further and further to the east. Already took France, Burgundy and Lotharingia from them.


    Vice Royalties of Sardinia
    Religion Map
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  8. AvatarOfKhaine Eldar God of War

    May 22, 2017
    Craftworld Herefordshire
    Orthodox North African Timurids and Mega-Romans stick out a lot there. Catholic Mali and Ghana too.
  9. Xibalba Post Punk Malone

    Sep 1, 2011
    The 2110, Belgium
    Yeah, ever since the Seljuks fell apart, the Byzantines been steamrolling everyone. That Catholic Ghana and Mali are results of poorly aimed crusades. An other result of those Crusade was the Kingdom of Africa. Who is now a tributary to the Timurids.
  10. Atomicwalrus Well-Known Member

    Sep 28, 2010
    What map mod are you using? It's pretty.
  11. Tyler96 Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2013
    Adelaide, South Australia
    Hungary's not doing too badly either.
  12. ALF0N53 Well-Known Member

    Sep 7, 2014
    Spanish East Indies
    Started playing as León.

    I want to get Galicia but not Castille. Also, I'm wary of losing some vassals when my heir succeeded me

    How do I do this?
  13. Xibalba Post Punk Malone

    Sep 1, 2011
    The 2110, Belgium
    I assume the kingdom of Gallicia? Normally around the 1066 bookmark when you start in Spain, you are all part of the Jiménez dynasty. So normally you have claims on the kingdoms held by your kin. If not there are ways to work around this problem. If the pope likes you enough you can ask him for claims on the duchies that make up the kingdom. This mostly works if the titles in questions are held by a child or a woman. It doesn't hurt spending a little gold or some artifacts to got those claims tho. You can also try it the old fashion way and try to fabricate claims with your chancellor, but to get those your chancellor has to have a diplomacy score above 20. If you are worried about losing territory upon succession I suggest you change your succession laws to seniority or elective, if you don't have access to primogeniture yet.
  14. Shiva Dreaming... always dreaming...

    Aug 21, 2014
    A comfy couch
    I was nearly finished with my Jerusalem game when my laptop broke, literally the hinge on it broke and part of the screen cracked and began to fall off. Since it was nearly 10 years old I had to get a new laptop, but I lost a bunch of stuff and that includes my files from CK2. :(

    But I got the game going on my new laptop and at the moment I'm playing a Stephen of England game to make myself feel better. Right now I'm on his grandson Baldwin II, and he's the Spawn of Satan, which is interesting to play considering that Stephen I of England has become a Saint complete with bloodline.

    The Spawn of Satan, the Antichrist, the third Blois King of England is the grandson of St. King Stephen I 'the Venerable' of England.

    Try to figure that shit out. :D
  15. herkles Well-Known Member

    May 8, 2017
    Meanwhile I am trying to decide what I should do for my next CK2 game/aar since HIP is being updated. mainly atm trying to decide between either:

    1.) reformed Slavic Pagan Kievan Rus, so starting from tribal and moving to feudal and establishing a slavic empire.
    2.) Al-Andalus, starting under one of the Ummayds(closest to the date before the Taifas as possible) and take over the rest of Iberia, and maybe show that Ummayds > Abbassids :p
  16. Frrf Well-Known Member

    Aug 11, 2011
    I suggest Kievan Rus', to play with the new reformation mechanics. They are quite fun.
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  17. Homer Simpson & the Brain World Conquering Drunk *burp*

    Mar 9, 2015
    Since the game has both aggressive and defensive pagans, do you think it would make sense for rulers belonging to those religions to have their stewardship score wax and wane proportionally to their fortunes as either conquerors or defenders?
  18. Frrf Well-Known Member

    Aug 11, 2011
    No, not really. Stewardship represents the ability to administer a territory, and stands quite independant of one's fortunes in war. An opinion bonus or malus with characters of the same faith would make sense, though.
  19. Homer Simpson & the Brain World Conquering Drunk *burp*

    Mar 9, 2015
    I know what stewardship represents, but it also affects the size of a character's demesne (+5 stewardship = +1 province). I wanted to create a situation where a character could increase their demesne's size without their vassals griping about it being too big because they've just shown why they're the top dog.

    Alternatively, would it be possible to have the demesne limit calculated from stewardship + martial?
  20. CaekDaemon The Dragon Commander Monthly Donor

    Jul 5, 2013
    I've always felt that the building system in CK2 was just too shallow, and that whilst Flogi's is a good upgrade, I've decided to have a crack at this sort of thing myself. I'm going to make my own building mod, in the vein of the one that could be found in Lux Invicta, but more hierarchical and with the aim of making provinces more unique and giving more thought to the selection of provinces beyond how many holding slots they might have or whether or not they're a coastal province.

    So, some concepts for what'll be Caek's Building Mod. I plan to make this thing publicly available on the Workshop if I do well enough, but for now, some basic concepts.

    1. Buildings in a province should be an interrelated weave of buildings with dependencies on other buildings in the province - you shouldn't be able to just build straight towards a doom fortress of a castle without any supporting infrastructure or craftsmen to do it with.

    2. Province terrain types should have a meaningful impact on how that province develops. The resources and construction possibilities of a mountainous region such as the Alps are radically different than those you can find in Jerusalem, or in the middle of France. Different terrain types should have access to different building chains, using the game's inbuilt system of terrain requirements to determine what building sets a province should have.

    3. Troop composition should be influenced by the above to give different geographical regions more flavor and to better match the actual realities on the ground. It doesn't make sense for a mountain realm to be rolling out as much heavy cavalry as people in the fields of France with plenty of pasture lands, but it would make sense for them to be

    4. Buildings should be both a meaningful investment of resources with a meaningful impact on the game at large - even if they are just a drop in the bucket, they should still have an impact on the game, even a small one.

    5. It should represent well the structure and realities of the Medieval world.

    6. It should offer some impact on events and other possible courses of action.

    7. Cities, Castles and Temples should have meaningful differences both in how they are developed and how they are

    8. Education should be of consideration.

    Fortunately, I'm actually rather well versed with modding CK, and all of the above should be possible. Basically, the building list will be divided into three major categories: militarization (containing things to do with levies, retinues and fortifications), economic development (containing things to do with infrastructure, resource gathering and craftsmanship, that sort of thing) and cultural development (containing things to do with entertainment, education and some administrative functions), with Castles, Cities and Temples specializing in one area. I'm thinking about having a special "building" for each province that can't be upgraded by construction, but by event, which would act as a gateway for things like education level and other conditional things, but we'll see :p

    All in all though, I think this would be rather fun to build and play!