Crisis in the Kremlin/Ostalgie

neonduke

Kremlin Games have released two gems of a game, the first a remake of the original Crisis in the Kremlin; a last days of the Soviet Union simulator. Play as a reformer and try to save the SU through perestroika; or go full Tankie and aim for Neo-Stalinism. Or perhaps you want to go Trotskyist and see those missiles fly?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/599750

The second is Ostalgie, which simulates the collapse of Communism within the Warsaw Pact countries. Similar to Crisis but more streamlined, can you save Socialism in Eastern Europe?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/774091

They can be complex games and the tutorials are maybe not the best so this thread is for advice and general chit-chat, AARs etc.
 

neonduke

There was a lot of trial and error for me with Crisis, and I still end up losing half the time around 90-91 or so when separatists start going all out.

Ostalgie is better as "pick up and play" as one game will last around 30 minutes, the detailed endings are a blast too. My Juche inspired, Nuclear armed Poland was a delight.
 
Augenis

Augenis

My grievance with both versions of the game is that the Baltic independence movements are pretty poorly represented.

In the old CtK, there is a single event for the Baltics about them going independent, which has no good options for the player. In the new CtK, there is an event about Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact secret protocols, but not much more, as far as I know.

Where's the Baltic Way? The formation of the Sąjūdis and other nationalist organizations? Yedinstvo and Interfront? Baltic independence was a gradual process and could have been stopped or delayed at numerous points during its development.
 
Maeglin

Maeglin

Augenis said:
My grievance with both versions of the game is that the Baltic independence movements are pretty poorly represented.

In the old CtK, there is a single event for the Baltics about them going independent, which has no good options for the player. In the new CtK, there is an event about Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact secret protocols, but not much more, as far as I know.

Where's the Baltic Way? The formation of the Sąjūdis and other nationalist organizations? Yedinstvo and Interfront? Baltic independence was a gradual process and could have been stopped or delayed at numerous points during its development.
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The current Crisis in the Kremlin seems to treat the Baltics as the most likely of the SSRs to be grumpy with Moscow.
 
WotanArgead

WotanArgead

Augenis said:
My grievance with both versions of the game is that the Baltic independence movements are pretty poorly represented.

In the old CtK, there is a single event for the Baltics about them going independent, which has no good options for the player. In the new CtK, there is an event about Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact secret protocols, but not much more, as far as I know.

Where's the Baltic Way? The formation of the Sąjūdis and other nationalist organizations? Yedinstvo and Interfront? Baltic independence was a gradual process and could have been stopped or delayed at numerous points during its development.
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I'm a bit familiar with the developers of the game (they have a group in the VC), and they perceive the disintegration of the USSR in a negative light. For them, the exit of the Baltic republics is no different from other similar events in the other republics (even in the RSFSR there were movements for withdrawing from the outpost of the USSR).
 
Augenis

Augenis

WotanArgead said:
I'm a bit familiar with the developers of the game (they have a group in the VC), and they perceive the disintegration of the USSR in a negative light. For them, the exit of the Baltic republics is no different from other similar events in the other republics (even in the RSFSR there were movements for withdrawing from the outpost of the USSR).
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That makes a lot of sense.
 

neonduke

One complaint I have with Ostalgie is that the modifiers can swing drastically and I'm not sure if it's the events or liberalisation causing it.

For instance the whole of 89 the support of the people is usually in the plus or evens at worse. Then around 90 it seems to swing widely between -0.2 all the way to -1.0 without rhyme nor reason

Edit: I know that probably as designed but it's a pain to try and work out what I should be correcting to change it. Even more annoying when I'm trying to gravitate towards the West in a playtbrough and high Ostalgie or low people support is an insta-kill, even when I'm trying to reform.
 

chankljp

Donor
So, Ostalgie... I am just curious, did anyone managed to get the ending for the DDR, in which Germany reunites under the East? I figured that for it to happen, you will need to boost the Ostalgie rating to be as high as possible, and you do so by doing stuff like funding the RAF and the Peace movment in West Germany, as well as helping the JPC gain a majority in the Diet in Japan. But I was never able to get it to go above, at most, 35/100.

And I know that you will need to have a DDR that is reformed, but not too much, otherwise you will just end up getting the 'German Confederation' ending, and you will not longer be able to support the RAF. Nor can you be too authoritarian, as in that case in West will not want anything to do with you even if you supported the reunification movement...

So, any ideas on how exactly you get the DDR victory ending?
 

RousseauX

Donor
chankljp said:
So, Ostalgie... I am just curious, did anyone managed to get the ending for the DDR, in which Germany reunites under the East? I figured that for it to happen, you will need to boost the Ostalgie rating to be as high as possible, and you do so by doing stuff like funding the RAF and the Peace movment in West Germany, as well as helping the JPC gain a majority in the Diet in Japan. But I was never able to get it to go above, at most, 35/100.

And I know that you will need to have a DDR that is reformed, but not too much, otherwise you will just end up getting the 'German Confederation' ending, and you will not longer be able to support the RAF. Nor can you be too authoritarian, as in that case in West will not want anything to do with you even if you supported the reunification movement...

So, any ideas on how exactly you get the DDR victory ending?
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I think DDR victory ending is by researching automation
 

neonduke

I've never actually seems the JCP options open, only the non-involvement one. Is it based on money, agents or something else?
 
Kome

Kome

neonduke said:
There was a lot of trial and error for me with Crisis, and I still end up losing half the time around 90-91 or so when separatists start going all out.

Ostalgie is better as "pick up and play" as one game will last around 30 minutes, the detailed endings are a blast too. My Juche inspired, Nuclear armed Poland was a delight.
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The names are pretty accurate. Crisis in the Kremlin plays like a Crisis, everything is falling apart and it's hard to feel in control.

Ostalgie on the other hand is strangely comfy. Kick back with your east german radio playing at low volume while bribing Russia for nuclear weapons.
 

neonduke

Anyone managed a smooth transistion to a Free Market Capitalist country and joined the West? I've only managed to succesfully oirentate to the West once as Bulgaria and even then the ending claimed we were still communist
 
Remitonov

Remitonov

neonduke said:
Anyone managed a smooth transistion to a Free Market Capitalist country and joined the West? I've only managed to succesfully oirentate to the West once as Bulgaria and even then the ending claimed we were still communist
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Well, to the game's credit, so is China, officially. So you might have pulled off a Deng and saved the party from being ousted by turning on the very ideology you claim to follow.
 
FickleCrossroad

FickleCrossroad

What do you have to do for a successful hardliner (non-Trotsky) run.

I've been cursing the computer out all week trying the Gromokyo-OGAS run the board is doing on the main thread, but I haven't even beat OTL. At least half the time the revolution is peaceful.

Is it possible to win as a Stalinist?
 

RousseauX

Donor
FickleCrossroad said:
What do you have to do for a successful hardliner (non-Trotsky) run.

I've been cursing the computer out all week trying the Gromokyo-OGAS run the board is doing on the main thread, but I haven't even beat OTL. At least half the time the revolution is peaceful.

Is it possible to win as a Stalinist?
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Stalinist is actually not that easy on latest patch

Easiest is conservative-moderate lasting to 1996, hardest is probably Perestroika victory
 
Kome

Kome

neonduke said:
I've never actually seems the JCP options open, only the non-involvement one. Is it based on money, agents or something else?
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You need to have an agreement with the JCP before the election (1st diplomatic option, requires less than 85 diplomacy score) and have avaliable agents.
 

neonduke

Ah that explains it, thanks.

I understand that Taiwan and Kuwait are interactive under certain circumstances?
 
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