Crimson Banners Fly: The Rise of the American Left

CIVIL WAR CIVIL WAR CIVIL WAR
Not sure if things will get THAT bad, but there was this line a few posts ago...
Even before the Nationalist March and the long days of the Troubles, times were rough for the average American family.
Now, I don't know about you, but I've got a bad feeling about this...

By the way, have been enjoying this for quite a while, keep it up! definitely looking forward to what happens next.
 
My guess is that there's an attempted counterrevolution and several years of bloody irregular fighting. Less Northern Ireland, more Bleeding Kansas.
 
Less Northern Ireland, more Bleeding Kansas.
De-facto secession would also be an interesting route to take. With Socialists technically holding power at the Federal level, the counterrevolution either has to try and wrest away that power or invalidate it on lower levels of state.

The socialists don't have a stable enough hold on power to actively crack down on their opposition, the army is broadly sympathetic, but the Posse Comitatus Act is currently in effect and there's no way that the Socialists could get that law changed in congress and past the courts in order to use the more radicalized army against domestic paramilitary organizations.

And on the flip side, the reaction likely has the cover of the most established institutions, congressional support in the non-socialist parties, and a well organized armed wing to enforce their rule in more unfriendly territories under their power (I'm thinking industrial cities in states with reactionary governors/mayors).

So long as no one goes too far in asserting their independence, the state is hamstrung in any efforts to suppress them and the reaction has all the resources and institutional support it needs to drag out its opposition for as long as it takes for the Socialists to fall out of power, by one means or another.

Making parts of the US effectively autonomous could fuel escalation of hostilities as each side relies less and less on formal means of contesting power and fall back on their guns and mass actions.
 
Last edited:
Snakes, lib wrecker snakes. Keep ‘em out least they destroy the party and the movement.
To me, it seems more like the opportunists seeing "a nation in need of a savior" are more of the proto-fascist kind, demagogues ready to speak to the fears of an uncertain middle class.
 
@PyroTheFox I´ve finished reading this two days ago,but forgot to comment.
took me days of on and off reading to end the whole thing and i got to say, i love it!
i am very anxiously waiting for more of this.
And now, as a commentary on the last update:
the socialists have got to the presidency, but now it seems to me that the forces that form the powers that be , and the many institutions under their control are slowly moving to expel that little invading organism.
at least, the Movement has the moral high ground and the authority of the highest office if the forces of reaction strike forcefully first, but what are their chances against a movement against the president and the Movement as a whole using the institutions of government, such as impeachment procedures after the midterms, for instance
as i see it, the Movement is in a very very tight rope, some kind of very damaging challenge to their authority is coming regardless of their behaviour in the government, it will happen by any means possible, be they legal, illegal, anticonstitutional, or any measure of the three, and the forces of reaction will NOT play fair. They have to stay very vigilant and keep both their mass and parliamentary mobilization and organization capabilities for both non violent mass protests and strikes, legal and parliamentary challenges, and/or a full blown armed defense of their authority razor sharp.
 
They have to stay very vigilant and keep both their mass and parliamentary mobilization and organization capabilities for both non violent mass protests and strikes, legal and parliamentary challenges, and/or a full blown armed defense of their authority razor sharp.
Of course, we know this because of historical hindsight.
I'm afraid for the Socialists in the timeline precisely because they don't have the political education that comes from having a full century of counter-revolutionary examples to shape their expectations for what their reaction might do.

As far as they know, they've won the first/most important battle, and now they just have to hold their ground. Even when we know they need to keep fighting tooth and claw.

Even if they're not naive about what kind of people they're up against, or even the position they're in on a basic level, I fear they'll overestimate the worth oft heir victories.

"They won the siege, they took the castle, now what?"

Do they try hold the castle while their enemies besiege and raid them from the woods and hills? Or do they keep campaigning, rooting out their opposition before it can counter them, building their strength such that they can't be challenged?

Only Pyro can tell.
 
Of course, we know this because of historical hindsight.
I'm afraid for the Socialists in the timeline precisely because they don't have the political education that comes from having a full century of counter-revolutionary examples to shape their expectations for what their reaction might do.

As far as they know, they've won the first/most important battle, and now they just have to hold their ground. Even when we know they need to keep fighting tooth and claw.

Even if they're not naive about what kind of people they're up against, or even the position they're in on a basic level, I fear they'll overestimate the worth oft heir victories.

"They won the siege, they took the castle, now what?"

Do they try hold the castle while their enemies besiege and raid them from the woods and hills? Or do they keep campaigning, rooting out their opposition before it can counter them, building their strength such that they can't be challenged?

Only Pyro can tell.
When there´s people in this day and age that should know better and still doesn´t, you can´t fault the characters for not knowing what they´re up against.
Pretty sure Pyro has a plan.
 
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving holiday!
Haven't had much time for writing since starting my new position, but rest assured I'm still working on updating this story further.

Thoroughly enjoying the commentary in this thread, though! There's a lot to say about the Socialists actually winning federal power, and how the opposition endures the blow. Capturing victory in the election and inaugurating Stedman is one thing, but let's just say the Socialists would be more than a little naïve to ignore the impact of Johnson's loyalty pledges in shaping the bureaucratic machine. Not to mention, of course, the opinion of military high command and an uncompliant legislature. Things could devolve into a rather nasty situation, but perhaps that sort of thing won't even be necessary. Don't forget the Democrats, now ;)
 
Last edited:
Okay, I've been reading/skimming through the timeline, but I have a questions: what of cooperatives? Specifically, worker cooperatives? They have a long history in America and are associated with Knights of Labour and political parties.

 
Okay, I've been reading/skimming through the timeline, but I have a questions: what of cooperatives? Specifically, worker cooperatives? They have a long history in America and are associated with Knights of Labour and political parties.

Add to that housing co-ops
 
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving holiday!
Haven't had much time for writing since starting my new position, but rest assured I'm still working on updating this story further.

Thoroughly enjoying the commentary in this thread, though! There's a lot to say about the Socialists actually winning federal power, and how the opposition endures the blow. Capturing victory in the election and inaugurating Stedman is one thing, but let's just say the Socialists would be more than a little naïve to ignore the impact of Johnson's loyalty pledges in shaping the bureaucratic machine. Not to mention, of course, the opinion of military high command and an uncompliant legislature. Things could devolve into a rather nasty situation, but perhaps that sort of thing won't even be necessary. Don't forget the Democrats, now ;)
I suddenly feel something bad would happen.
 
Last edited:
Europe and America: Germany gains territory. Belgium and Luxembourg become German client states. Ireland is granted limited independence. Austria-Hungary and Bulgaria gain territory. Poland and Baltic states are re-established. Canada is no longer a British Dominion and is removed from the British sphere of influence.
I just realized, what happens to the Bahamas and Bermuda? Wouldn't America take those islands as well?
 
Top