Creation of US state names based on Canadian, Mexican Cuban and USA etymology.

Hi all

I would like to get lots of possible ideas for US state names in the alternative history circumstance that the British Empire crushed the American revolution, and that maybe there were at least one more attempted revolutions along the way. In French Revolution or Napoleonic periods, that one was crushed as well and the British won. The Americans would have gained independence through its sheer size and population by probably 1840-60.

I don't want anyone to take out the influences of the "new idea", the idea of republicanism in regard to the founding fathers of america as they would have become marta's if killed and remembered for generations down the line for their ideas that they thought and fought for.

I am talking thirteen colonies and Canada now but in the scenario of the british winning the American revolution they would have eventually combined and the people who lived there have called "Anglo-American".

After the North America gains independence it looks "west" (Manifest destiny), I know the Canadian names are influenced by British imperialism but I like the American ones better, much cooler. This is only related to current Canadian state names, use the current American state names for influence but I don't really want to change them.

Along with this think of this North America invading Mexico and play with the current American and Mexican state names. Mix and match and mess around with them. You can do the same with Cuba as their were many such proposals and incidents to invade, conquer and divide.

Finally by all means tear apart and combine land in Canada, Cuba Mexico and USA to create new states. One thing I love is looking at the Holy Roman Empire state map but don't go that far!!


Here is a list of sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Cuba
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_and_territories_of_Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_Mexico

I have included Australian state names below because one can imagine that the British idea was to colonise the entire of North America and Australia and one can only see they are similarly divided up like pieces of cake. (I am really not concerned about this because it is an ocean away however there are movements today for Australia to become apart of the USA.)

The list below includes the names of USA states that were not created and the current states of USA, Canada, Mexico, Cuba and Australia and there source of origin they came from. (Language) I do have to mention that I am unsure whether the source of the Mexican and Cuba state names are correct. If someone corrects me wrong thank you.

Enjoy! Alexander

List of states that were failed to be created and there state names
- Franklin
- Jefferson
- Lincoln
- Superior
- Delmarva
- Absaroka
- Scott
- Transylvania
- Deseret
- Westsylvania
- Nickajack
- Sequoyah

List of US state names State names source of origin
Alabama Choctaw
Alaska Aleut via Russian
Arizona Basque, O'odham via Spanish and Spanish
Arkansas Kansa, viaIllinois and French
California Spanish
Colorado Spanish
Connecticut Eastern Algonquian
Delaware French via English
Florida Spanish
Georgia Latin via English (ultimately from Greek)
Hawaii Hawaiian
Idaho English and Plains Apache
Illinois Algonquian via French
Indiana Latin (ultimately from Proto-Indo-Iranian)
Iowa Dakota via French
Kansas Kansa via French
Kentucky Iroquoian
Louisiana Two forms of English and one form of French
Maine French (ultimately from Frankish)
Maryland English (ultimately from Hebrew)
Massachusetts Algonquian
Michigan Ojibwe via French
Minnesota Dakota
Mississippi Ojibwe via French
Missouri Illinois
Montana Spanish
Nebraska Chiwere
Nevada Spanish
New Hampshire English
New Jersey French (ultimately from Old Norse)
New Mexico Nahuatl via Spanish
New York English
North Carolina Latin via English (ultimately from Frankish)
North Dakota Sioux
Ohio Seneca via French
Oklahoma Choctaw
Oregon Welsh and Latin
Pennsylvania Unknown Native American
Rhode Island Dutch and Greek
South Carolina Latin via English (ultimately from Frankish)
South Dakota Sioux
Tennessee Cherokee
Texas Caddo via Spanish
Utah Western Apache via Spanish
Vermont French
Virginia Latin
Washington English
West Virginia Latin
Wisconsin Miami via French
Wyoming Munsee Delaware


List of Canadian state names State names source of origin
Quebec Algonquin
British Columbia English
Alberta English
Manitoba Cree, Ojibwe and Assiniboine
Saskatchewan Cree
Nova Scotia Latin
New Brunswick English via German
Newfoundland and Labrador Portuguese and French
Prince Edward Island English
Northwest Territories Descriptive in relation to Ruperts Land (ideas to it to a Aboriginal term. One proposal was Denendeh from Athabaskan.)
Yukon Locheux
Nunavut Inuktitut


List of Australian state names State names source of origin
New South Wales Named after South Wales (Welsh)
Norfolk Island Araucaria heterophylla (Norfolk Island pin)
Northern Territory Mengerrdji and Kunwinjku
Queensland English (Queen Victoria)
South Australia Descriptive
Tasmania Dutch
Victoria English (Queen Victoria)
Western Australia Descriptive
Australian Capital Territory Descriptive


List of Mexican state names State names source of origin
Aguascalientes Spanish
Baja California Spanish
Baja California Sur Spanish
Campeche Spanish
Chiapas Spanish
Chihuahua Spanish
Coahuila Nahuatl
Colima Spanish
Durango Spanish
Guanajuato Spanish
Guerrero Spanish
Hidalgo Spanish
Jalisco Spanish
México Spanish
Mexico City Spanish
Michoacán Spanish
Morelos Spanish
Nayarit Spanish
Nuevo León Spanish
Oaxaca Nahuatl
Puebla Spanish
Querétaro Spanish
Quintana Roo Spanish
San Luis Potosí Spanish
Sinaloa Spanish
Sonora Spanish
Tabasco Spanish
Tamaulipas Spanish
Tlaxcala Nahuatl
Veracruz Latin
Yucatán Spanish
Zacatecas Spanish

List of Cuban state names State names source of origin
Pinar del Río Spanish
Artemisa Spanish
Havana Spanish
Mayabeque Spanish
Matanzas Spanish
Cienfuegos Spanish
Villa Clara Spanish
Sancti Spíritus Spanish
Ciego de Ávila Spanish
Camagüey Spanish
Las Tunas Spanish
Granma Spanish
Holguín Spanish
Santiago de Cuba Spanish
Guantánamo Spanish
Isla de la Juventud Spanish
 
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If the American Revolution was violently crushed twice, and a third happened in 1860, I'm pretty sure it would turn into a British-Empire-wide civil war.

Also, in 1860, the population of the US exceeded the population of the UK.
 
If the American Revolution was violently crushed twice, and a third happened in 1860, I'm pretty sure it would turn into a British-Empire-wide civil war.

Also, in 1860, the population of the US exceeded the population of the UK.

It is the names I am after, I just made the scenario out of thin air :eek: And that's why it gets independence. (Population)
 
It is the names I am after, I just made the scenario out of thin air :eek:

I know but that factor by itself would change the names of most of the territories in North America. It would be the United Colonies and a global (non-monarchical) empire, instead of the United States of America.

If Britain held onto North America, they'd have double the manpower for conquering, so they might have another settler colony (perhaps La Plata?) and their other settler colonies like Australia would be more heavily populated. Some military colonies would be conquered earlier. Rebels from the first two American revolutions would also be settled as prisoners in Australia.

Meanwhile destroying two revolutions a continent away would be a huge expense, and the people of Great Britain would bear the brunt of it. If the Irish Potato Famine happens, that will increase animosity there also.

I could see the Third American Revolution joined opportunistically by rebels in Ireland, Scotland, South Africa, Australia, La Plata if it exists as a British colony, Egypt (if it has already been conquered), and possibly India.

Loyalists would include Quebec, most of Canada, the southern slaveholding colonies in America, lowland Scots, the East India Company, and the military colonies in Africa and Indonesia.

The abolition of slavery in the British Empire would be delayed by the continued possession of the southern colonies, so abolitionists would be in the anti-imperial side, and it would be like a reverse US Civil War for a while until the rebellious northern colonies defeat the loyalist south and loyalist Quebec.

The whole affair might last ten years, with the British Empire collapsing and "America" (really a coalition of many different colonies that wouldn't be named America) taking over.

After that, most new territories would be given British-style names, but with no semblance of royalty or references to the empire.
 
West Virginia (or the general area) was proposed to be a colony called Vandalia in the 1770s.

Kentucky (or the general area) was proposed to be a colony called Transylvania in 1775.

Ohio and south Indiana (or the general area) was proposed to be a colony called New Wales in 1763, after the future George IV.

The lands beyond the Wabash River and east of the Mississippi (including Michigan) were proposed to be a colony called Charlotina in 1763.
 
I think most of the Mexican states with Spanish names would have the same name as before. The ones with Nahuatl names like Oaxaca would be Anglicized (e.g. Wahaca) or made pseudo-Spanish (e.g. Huajaca).

Canada provinces would have First Nations tribes as their names, and Quebec would be renamed to something else.

Cuba might be split in two, the west side called Havana and the east side called (Santiago de) Cuba.
 
Canada provinces would have First Nations tribes as their names, and Quebec would be renamed to something else.

I don't see why Quebec would be renamed (it's an indigenous name), unless it were reverted back to "Canada."

Incidentally I'm not certain Quebec would be loyalist ITTL. Although that is certainly conceivable, if this revolution occurs in roughly the same context as the Patriote rebellion, Quebec could also fight to overthrow the British yoke, though perhaps only as a U.S. ally.
 
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I know but that factor by itself would change the names of most of the territories in North America. It would be the United Colonies and a global (non-monarchical) empire, instead of the United States of America.

If Britain held onto North America, they'd have double the manpower for conquering, so they might have another settler colony (perhaps La Plata?) and their other settler colonies like Australia would be more heavily populated. Some military colonies would be conquered earlier. Rebels from the first two American revolutions would also be settled as prisoners in Australia.

Meanwhile destroying two revolutions a continent away would be a huge expense, and the people of Great Britain would bear the brunt of it. If the Irish Potato Famine happens, that will increase animosity there also.

I could see the Third American Revolution joined opportunistically by rebels in Ireland, Scotland, South Africa, Australia, La Plata if it exists as a British colony, Egypt (if it has already been conquered), and possibly India.

Loyalists would include Quebec, most of Canada, the southern slaveholding colonies in America, lowland Scots, the East India Company, and the military colonies in Africa and Indonesia.

The abolition of slavery in the British Empire would be delayed by the continued possession of the southern colonies, so abolitionists would be in the anti-imperial side, and it would be like a reverse US Civil War for a while until the rebellious northern colonies defeat the loyalist south and loyalist Quebec.

The whole affair might last ten years, with the British Empire collapsing and "America" (really a coalition of many different colonies that wouldn't be named America) taking over.

After that, most new territories would be given British-style names, but with no semblance of royalty or references to the empire.

I already knew about this flaw but I forgot about it and thank you for reminding me. It so complex.

Washington, Adams and Jefferson along with the other founding fathers of America ambition to invent a new type of "idea" is impeccable and other US presidents vision to follow that is extraordinary. (Lincoln) This message is ahead of its time because I have not read enough on the topic but I need the "idea" of American founding fathers inside the British Empire. Sounds strange I know and I don't know if it's possible.

What do you mean by a (non-monarchical) empire, a republic like before, I know it would be global and they would be "United Colonies" than states.

I think it best to do both regarding the colonies/state names, one with the American "idea" and one without just to cover everything.
 
I already knew about this flaw but I forgot about it and thank you for reminding me. It so complex.
Well it's not a flaw, just a scenario to consider that changes the sort of "USA" we're talking about.

Washington, Adams and Jefferson along with the other founding fathers of America ambition to invent a new type of "idea" is impeccable and other US presidents vision to follow that is extraordinary. (Lincoln) This message is ahead of its time because I have not read enough on the topic but I need the "idea" of American founding fathers inside the British Empire. Sounds strange I know and I don't know if it's possible.
I think the ideas of the original founding fathers would definitely be preserved to 1860, although they would evolve and change--exactly how, I'm not sure. Possibly more of a radical expansionist element where monarchies of other countries must be destroyed, and an element of abolitionism where slavery must be ended worldwide.

There would be another second set of figures inspired by French ideals in the 1790s, who would also be idealized also. But the United Colonies would consider their founding fathers to be the revolutionaries of the 1860s when they actually achieve their independence.

What do you mean by a (non-monarchical) empire, a republic like before, I know it would be global and they would be "United Colonies" than states.
By non-monarchical empire, I mean an empire in the sense of conquering territory and basing the system of governance on continual conquest and expansion, but without a hereditary Emperor actually in charge.

This state would be a successor of the British Empire, and possibly include England itself, but probably not.

I think it best to do both regarding the colonies/state names, one with the American "idea" and one without just to cover everything.
Well if it happens through violent revolution then it inevitably spreads throughout the Empire and with it the American "idea".

But if the British make concessions, make North America into a largely self-governing dominion, then I could see it becoming independent without that ideal.

In the latter case, every state in what would be the US will have royal-style, colonial, and princely names.

Conquests in Mexico and Central America will likely have the original Spanish names. But multiple regions will be grouped into larger colonies named for one of the areas contained within. For example, I could see everything from Yucatan to Oaxaca being called British Yucatan, everything from Guerrero to Mexico City to be called British Mexico, and so on.

Areas with strong naval ports or trading importance will be renamed, though. Veracruz would probably be named after a King, prince, or some coastal region in Great Britain.
 
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