thanks for answering, for my TL I was thinking in a "tripolar" world, with a Entente trying to manting their empires and rivaling the Mitteleuropa and a third player, that can be the fascists or socialists(I doubt that may represent a serious treat, because in France the moderates will control them for a time and Russia is insolated)With the Battle of Verdun won by Germany, French morale likely plummets. That being said, since WW1 probably does not last as long as it did OTL, I don't think the final peace treaty would be quite as harsh as those against the Central Powers (especially Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire). There probably will be extremism but perhaps not quite on the level of Nazi Germany. I could be wrong about all this though, but this is just my thoughts on the matter.
A shift in priorities is a good example, WW2 for me is a no to a maybe, genuinely anything can happen, maybe Europe become more peaceful than OTL, but Asia is a bigger mess ITTL insteadHello, I'm writing a scenario based in a CP Victory with a POD on Verdún, the details of the victory don't matter for now. It's a classical victory(maybe a cliche) where Germany regain his colonies and gain Belgian Congo, French Equatorial Africa and Brest-Livostk My question is how the european politics would develop? Will the losers more right authoritarian or will fall under red flags? Can the Germans avoid a resurgence of Russia? It's possible a WWII?
Germany will have the same problem of the entente in OTL aka the need to enforce the peace and between the economy (if she win, all the IOU that financed the war and are in possession of the population will need to be payed) and the social troubles (the socialist will want their reward for their support of the war and honestly the Junkers will try to avoid give them anything, not considering the returning soldiers having a lot less respect for the current enstablisment).Victorious Germany probably can't get its colonies outside of Africa back and probably is satisfied enough on victory in Europe and getting some French colnies in Africa. From Brits it is not going to get anything.
I am not sure can Reds win Russian Civil War ITTL. Probably it would be more difficult but still possible.
France pretty surely sees some rise of either far-right wing authotarian regime or then communist revolution. Britain probably not see much of internal problems altough 1920's might be bit instable. But I can't see any kind of serious rise of extremist movements. And Britain probably might get friendly relationships with Germany if they just can deal naval issues. And since Britain didn't lost anything to Germany there is not such grudge as in France.
WW2 is not likely altough possible. Whatever side wins Russian Civil War it is too weak to begin new war alone. And if Germany helps whites win the civil war new regime might decide not go against country which helped them defeat red menace.
France is totally defeated. Absolutely humilated. Surely there is lot of enrage towards Germany and probably rise of extremist government. But France wouldhad lost its industrial centers near of German border. Germany would had enforced severe limitations to French army and probably willingful to enforce that. And Germany wouldn't allow France form serious alliance with other great powers. Furthermore France was defeated twice within 50 years. Battle morale would be really low and French hardly are intrested to fight even under totalitarian dictatorship.
Italy would be alone just pure joke. It can't do anything and not allowd to do anything.
Serbia would be permanent co-occupation of Austria-Hungary and Bulgaria. It can't do antyhing.
And Britain has not reason hate Germany.
Every government in Moscow will want another round as B-L as been too humilating, a white government can try the diplomatic approach first but if someone expect eternal gratitude and subservience is up for a nasty surprise
Germany is the hegemon of Europe just that will qualify Russia for British help and as i said, Berlin and his puppet have the same problem of the Entente regarding any treaty as they need to enforce it continously and a lot of the nations that are in her sphere of influence have a lot of problem, first among them a legitimancy of their government in the eyes of the population (that while don't like the Russian does't mean that they love the Germans)Russia probably wants revenge but it is another thing what it can do. Any German government hardly allows new Frenc-Russian alliance and even toghether they are not very strong do much. And Britain probably is not intrested to help Russia. It doens't want strong Russia and not too much against Germany.
From Brits it is not going to get anything.
If the British give nothing Germany will stay on the French channel coast and conduct uboat warfare from French ports. Also the long Max and Paris guns will shell Dover and Kent will become an aerial battlefield. Britain will not be able to win a victory from this position so will be fighting to hold some colonies in Africa.
Nope. Victorious Germany is not going to lose their colonies of they don't want to dispose them in exchange of other things to save face. Brits can attempt to stop takeover of the French colonial empire by return German colonies. But even they would not want to weaken the German empire too much - Russia have just gone red and the Western elite are screaming death to Bolsheviks.Victorious Germany probably can't get its colonies outside of Africa
Depending on the German support. Whites openly supported by Germans would be hated by the local population which would flock to Bolsheviks fighting the war of national survival.Probably it would be more difficult but still possible.
One of them turns communist, second to authoritarianism. There was a well written TL about that - Bayonets Won't Cut Coal on this site describing the outcome (Brits cracking down on the general strike, socialists revolting, France descending into dictatorship to stop communists).France pretty surely sees some rise of either far-right wing authotarian regime or then communist revolution. Britain probably not see much of internal problems altough 1920's might be bit instable
If Russia and Britain or Russia and America flip red, then you can have more balanced world war between monarchism and communism. Especially when they develop nuclear weapons and start the conflict with them. Both countries had independent nuclear programs OTL in late 1930s and early 1940s, with increased development, less bloody USSR due to lesser need to industrialise asap and having an ally to aid their development, Russo-British alliance can have the edge in nuclear weapons.WW2 is not likely altough possible
In my tl, the german colonies were reinforced before the war for a native rebellion between 1912-1913, so the African campaigns lasted more. Also the United Kingdom will exchange the ocupied colonies for the status quo in the West.Victorious Germany probably can't get its colonies outside of Africa back and probably is satisfied enough on victory in Europe and getting some French colnies in Africa. From Brits it is not going to get anything.
I am not sure can Reds win Russian Civil War ITTL. Probably it would be more difficult but still possible.
France pretty surely sees some rise of either far-right wing authotarian regime or then communist revolution. Britain probably not see much of internal problems altough 1920's might be bit instable. But I can't see any kind of serious rise of extremist movements. And Britain probably might get friendly relationships with Germany if they just can deal naval issues. And since Britain didn't lost anything to Germany there is not such grudge as in France.
WW2 is not likely altough possible. Whatever side wins Russian Civil War it is too weak to begin new war alone. And if Germany helps whites win the civil war new regime might decide not go against country which helped them defeat red menace.
France is totally defeated. Absolutely humilated. Surely there is lot of enrage towards Germany and probably rise of extremist government. But France wouldhad lost its industrial centers near of German border. Germany would had enforced severe limitations to French army and probably willingful to enforce that. And Germany wouldn't allow France form serious alliance with other great powers. Furthermore France was defeated twice within 50 years. Battle morale would be really low and French hardly are intrested to fight even under totalitarian dictatorship.
Italy would be alone just pure joke. It can't do anything and not allowd to do anything.
Serbia would be permanent co-occupation of Austria-Hungary and Bulgaria. It can't do antyhing.
And Britain has not reason hate Germany.
Interesting, can the communists take over the Balkans (In the case that Austria-Hungary collapse) and Iberia?A leftist wave in Europe would be inevitable, however I would only expect possible communist takeover in Italy (besides Russia).
The Balkan is a no as Bulgaria, ottomans and Austria Hungary can easily deal with it. OTL spain did got pink, ittl could go full redInteresting, can the communists take over the Balkans (In the case that Austria-Hungary collapse) and Iberia?
Ottoman and Austria-Hungary need first deal with their own problem and it's hardly a given that they will be succesfull, sure they have won the war this mean that at all the problem they had before they now have even more....have funThe Balkan is a no as Bulgaria, ottomans and Austria Hungary can easily deal with it. OTL spain did got pink, ittl could go full red
I see, i was thinking in a Austra-Hungary collapse, but i don't know if that's possible in a CP Victory.The Balkan is a no as Bulgaria, ottomans and Austria Hungary can easily deal with it. OTL spain did got pink, ittl could go full red
It’s certainly possible. Austria-Hungary had several fundamental problems. The thing here is that there’s a common trope that AH was doomed regardless of what happens in the 20th Century, when the situation was not nearly as dire. They didn’t last 4 years fighting one of the most devastating wars in history by chance.I see, i was thinking in a Austra-Hungary collapse, but i don't know if that's possible in a CP Victory.