Coup attempt against FDR 1935(Second brief Civilwar)

I heard a BBC montage regarding that a group of extreme right-wing business moguls where one of them was a the grandfather of George W. Bush. They thought that FDR would transformer the United States of America into the USSA (United Socialists States of America). They enlisted the help of the former Marine Corp General (don't remember his name), popular guy from WW1 to lead to the coup. I OTL this guy pretended to play along while keeping detailed records of the groups plan, and eventuelle exposed them to world!
But what if he hadn't? What if while on a a trip to his little whitehouse at Warmsprings the President is detained by a group of group of Marines from the Albany Georgia al the while the coup masters with our marine corp general in the lead break into joined session of Congress take the telephone exchange in D.C.
Some Marine divisions and most the army is loyal to the President and we have shooting battles on the streets of D.C.
But President Roosewelt is shoot by a young Marine Corp Privat while the US Army is trying to free him.
The coup is eventually put down and FDR VP is sworn in a Commander in Chief. Millitary trials are held and the coup Masters along with the millitary supports are found guilty and sentenced to death.

Which effect would the death of FDR and the whole coup business would have for the United States in the 1930s and beyond?

/Fred
 
I think Smedley Butler may be the name you're thinking of. And John Nance Garner is Roosevelt's vice president in the first two terms. You may want to do more research before you start (Butler's name is actually a good starter for internet searches), but I would be interested in seeing the end result.

Although what would make it fun for me (and I suppose here comes the inevitable political self-confession on my part) would be for:

(1) Roosevelt to survive the coup and be even more politically powerful than he is in our timeline because opposition even to something like the Supreme Court plan is now seen as disloyal and anti-democratic; or

(2) Roosevelt dies and one of his lieutenants further to the left wins the 1936 nomination, commencing a second and more radical period of New Deal reforms and an administration more free to wield lightning bolts at emergent fascism in Europe. (Would Hitler even invade Poland with Henry A. Wallace in the White House?)
 
Implausible indeed since there is serious doubt that any such event ever took place and having the major proponent of the alleged coup existing at the time being a known traitor and Stalinist agent didn't help much.
 
A coup would be impossible in the United States. The army is so large that even if you did manage to convince a large number of troops to support you, there would be at least an equal number of loyal troops ready to fight back.

Plus even people who hate the government here love democracy way too much to legitimately attempt a coup.
 
I think Smedley Butler may be the name you're thinking of. And John Nance Garner is Roosevelt's vice president in the first two terms. You may want to do more research before you start (Butler's name is actually a good starter for internet searches), but I would be interested in seeing the end result.

Although what would make it fun for me (and I suppose here comes the inevitable political self-confession on my part) would be for:

(1) Roosevelt to survive the coup and be even more politically powerful than he is in our timeline because opposition even to something like the Supreme Court plan is now seen as disloyal and anti-democratic; or

(2) Roosevelt dies and one of his lieutenants further to the left wins the 1936 nomination, commencing a second and more radical period of New Deal reforms and an administration more free to wield lightning bolts at emergent fascism in Europe. (Would Hitler even invade Poland with Henry A. Wallace in the White House?)
Good God President Wallace!:eek: FAT here we come!
 
It would have meant the death of the classic liberal tradition in the United States. It would shatter the already severely weakened faith in the capitalist system in the United States. Anyone even remotely connected with the coup attempt would probably find themselves out of power and discredited forever.

That would probably mean the death of the Republican Party, at least as we know it. A militantly social democratic, left-wing Democratic Party would probably dominant American politics for quite some time, and the Socialist and Communist parties would end up gaining a whole lot of ground in electoral politics, probably forming a popular front coalition with the Democratic Party.
 
It would have meant the death of the classic liberal tradition in the United States. It would shatter the already severely weakened faith in the capitalist system in the United States. Anyone even remotely connected with the coup attempt would probably find themselves out of power and discredited forever.

That would probably mean the death of the Republican Party, at least as we know it. A militantly social democratic, left-wing Democratic Party would probably dominant American politics for quite some time, and the Socialist and Communist parties would end up gaining a whole lot of ground in electoral politics, probably forming a popular front coalition with the Democratic Party.

I wonder what about World War 2? And the Cold War? During the Cold War here in W-Europe most Socialdemocrats/Labour Parties hated the Communists. Could we still have had a Cold War?
 
Don't ask me for a citation, but I believe Wallace said in some speech or other post World War II that the United States had as much to fear from the British Empire as it did from the Soviet Union.

As to whether Churchill would work well with Wallace, I don't see how that matters. Churchill would do what he had to do under the circumstances, there's just no choice if we're talking about a potential invasion scenario.

Now, short of that if it seems like there is a Social Democratic United States in 1939 hungry for a shot at fascist Europe after its close brush with fascism in the U.S., it seems either that World War II is on a completely different arc or doesn't happen in the sense that we recognize it. Which creates many courses that are logically possible, but none which are logically required. A "cold war" with both the Axis and the Soviet Union is possible in Europe, with all the longterm horror that entails.

Several other possible results: the United States is far more popular in the Third World, as its post-war muscle gets used to bust colonialist empires. Lacking the cold war as a rationale for legitimacy, the Soviet Union actually falls to internal dissatisfaction more quickly, or without the crippling weight of all that militarism and fear reforms itself and becomes a more marginally tolerable place to live. And the inevitable pendulum shift nets the United States President Barry Goldwater.

I haven't researched the actual Smedley Butler stuff enough to actually make judgments either way as to probability. I'm just mapping out possible consequences in the event it did happen.

I wonder what about World War 2? And the Cold War? During the Cold War here in W-Europe most Socialdemocrats/Labour Parties hated the Communists. Could we still have had a Cold War?
 
Implausible indeed since there is serious doubt that any such event ever took place and having the major proponent of the alleged coup existing at the time being a known traitor and Stalinist agent didn't help much.

The fact that a coup was discussed is actually a matter of public record. It's a long shot to imagine it being pulled off though.
 
This has been done in AH - Google 'Panay War'.
Smedley Butler and co try it - kill Roosevelt, and get stomped by another (fictional) cabinet member who is a meglomaniac. WWII erupts with US/UK alliance against Nazis, Japanese, Italians, Spanish, French and Soviets at the same time. Long war - US curbstomps, and devastates the planet.
 
I wonder what about World War 2? And the Cold War? During the Cold War here in W-Europe most Socialdemocrats/Labour Parties hated the Communists. Could we still have had a Cold War?
It's probably quite likely that a Cold War would exist in some form, but it probably wouldn't be the same Cold War.

Depending on how militant social democrats are in the US, or how successful socialists become post-coup, I'm guessing that there would be a three-way stand-off post WWII event, with the United States opposed to both the old colonial regimes of Europe as well as the USSR. Then again, Labour's likely inevitable post-war electoral victory might shake that up, and lead to a faster decolonization to gain an alliance with the United States.
 
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