Could the Nazis conquer America

Kongzilla

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To make the British happy to conduct trade, allow military alliance and at least be slightly compliant I was thinking about this.

Britain is about to surrender. Hitler demands all of the fleet knowing he won't get it but he knows the reaction that will come from America/Canada. Roosevelt flips the fuck out. He thinks Halifax will do it since him and Chamberlain have been pretty weak links in the relationship and he thinks they'll bend at the slightest pressure. Roosevelt demands the Canadian's go get that fleet to make sure it doesn't end up in the wrong hands. Doesn't end well, USA cuts off Britain from trade and anything else. Ultimately Halifax says no to that and Hitler is fine with it. Damage is already done though. Britain kind of allies against America in spite. This causes some problems for the pacific war. British troops are ordered to stand down and not allow American forces onto their land if they do arrive. Panzer III's are given to the Japanese when they are no longer deemed worhty on the Eastern Front. They would do fairly well against the M4 especially the ones with the 5cm KwK 39 gun. But not only tanks. Thousands of captured soviet Anti Tank guns and shells are handed over. I think Oil is also supplied. This is some form of lend lease but is more based around "We don't want it, you can have it". It draws out the conflict a little longer mainly because only America is fighting them, they have access to decent anti tank guns and tanks and they have lost less men.
 
To make the British happy to conduct trade, allow military alliance and at least be slightly compliant I was thinking about this.

Britain is about to surrender. Hitler demands all of the fleet knowing he won't get it but he knows the reaction that will come from America/Canada. Roosevelt flips the fuck out. He thinks Halifax will do it since him and Chamberlain have been pretty weak links in the relationship and he thinks they'll bend at the slightest pressure. Roosevelt demands the Canadian's go get that fleet to make sure it doesn't end up in the wrong hands. Doesn't end well, USA cuts off Britain from trade and anything else. Ultimately Halifax says no to that and Hitler is fine with it. Damage is already done though. Britain kind of allies against America in spite. This causes some problems for the pacific war. British troops are ordered to stand down and not allow American forces onto their land if they do arrive. Panzer III's are given to the Japanese when they are no longer deemed worhty on the Eastern Front. They would do fairly well against the M4 especially the ones with the 5cm KwK 39 gun. But not only tanks. Thousands of captured soviet Anti Tank guns and shells are handed over. I think Oil is also supplied. This is some form of lend lease but is more based around "We don't want it, you can have it". It draws out the conflict a little longer mainly because only America is fighting them, they have access to decent anti tank guns and tanks and they have lost less men.

Uh-oh. It won't work. Why do you think US would pull Mers-El-Kebir on the British? Why would the British ally with the Germans against the United States? They stand to absolutely no gain from it. And everything to lose. If worse came to worse (though I don't see this sort of thing happening, but let's handwave it for the sake of discussion), the British would probably request and get to be neutral and to keep all their colonial possessions. Hitler was not that interested in colonies to begin with. He couldn't care less for the 'small sausage factory in Tanganyika' and he said so in 'Mein Kampf'. That the British would, in any eventuality join the Germans in the fight against the US is ASB IMHO.

Giving the Japanese all the weapons in the German arsenal, even Panthers or Tigers, helps them in no way. The Japanese would not be able to support this force in the myriad Pacific islands they occupied since it is beyond their logistical capability. The troops that were fighting in those islands were isolated already in 1943. They would be bombed and starved into submission unless Japanese miraculously acquired the fleet sufficient to confront and defeat USN. And let's not even go into the quite well known and multiple times elaborated inability of the Japanese commanders to comprehend and adopt the strategy necessary to fight the war of the kind they set about to fight.
 

Kongzilla

Banned
What about all the ships they won't lose fighting the British. Hmmm but I suppose your right. What about AAA, could that help the bombing issue a bit. So no transit rights or anything for the Germans in British territory. Is there a way to bring them closer to the Germans over the next two decades like economical, military or some other kind of dependence.

Is there seriously anyway to have British empire split. And where would the Royal family fall on this.
 

Kongzilla

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Is there anyway for the Nazis to have some kind of leniency with the Slavic population within their borders. Like they use them as some kind of cheap laborers that work in the city and go home to ghettos or segregated neighborhoods at night. Maybe they can Join Wehrmacht auxiliary forces or something. But just try to limit the murder of another 30 million people.
 
Is there anyway for the Nazis to have some kind of leniency with the Slavic population within their borders. Like they use them as some kind of cheap laborers that work in the city and go home to ghettos or segregated neighborhoods at night. Maybe they can Join Wehrmacht auxiliary forces or something. But just try to limit the murder of another 30 million people.

People generally don't enjoy being used as slave labor.
 

Kongzilla

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People generally don't like being murdered either. And I didn't say slave. I said cheap. Think Chinese sweatshop wages.
 
You seem to be obsessed with getting Germany to do better in World War II. It's getting you a certain reputation.
 
People generally don't like being murdered either. And I didn't say slave. I said cheap. Think Chinese sweatshop wages.

Still the same thing; most nationalist partisans were unhappy because they didn't have their own nation state, much less being used as cheap labor. And wages would have been essentially valueless seeing as how most food would have been "appropriated" by the Heer and there would be few goods to buy in the first place.
 
Is there anyway for the Nazis to have some kind of leniency with the Slavic population within their borders.

If anyone from the 'Blood and Soil' crowd is anywhere near the position of power, there is going to be massive slaughter of non Germans in the Ost. Those people saw it as their mission to liberate the land in the East for settling by the German settlers a'la American West. They developed racial theory to fit this desire.

On the other hand if they are eliminated and say neo-Wilhelmine faction managed to get into driving seat, there might never be any war in the East on the scale of OTL. And there is also myriad options in between, most ending with massive slaughter of millions. Some of the core tennants of the Nazi ideology need to be butterflied to make this possible and some of the leaders of the most powerful organizations of the Nazi Germany snuffed.
 

Kongzilla

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You seem to be obsessed with getting Germany to do better in World War II. It's getting you a certain reputation.

It's mainly because I enjoy watching the bad guy win for a change. Not that I would want the Nazis around. It's just cliched that the Good guy always comes out on top.

I'm sorry if I sound like a Nazi lover. I'm not. Although I do have a relatively Rascist Father and I wonder if it's rubbed off on me. I hope not. Hmmmmm maybe I should see a Councillor. I mean I don't feel racist. Is that even possible. Do you feel racist or are you just racist. I'm also Italian. Maybe I want the Germans to do better because I feel like the Italians will do better alongside them. I also don't want another 35 million people dead as you can see from other posts. So I'm not really sure.
 
It's mainly because I enjoy watching the bad guy win for a change. Not that I would want the Nazis around. It's just cliched that the Good guy always comes out on top.

I'm sorry if I sound like a Nazi lover. I'm not. Although I do have a relatively Rascist Father and I wonder if it's rubbed off on me. I hope not. Hmmmmm maybe I should see a Councillor. I mean I don't feel racist. Is that even possible. Do you feel racist or are you just racist. I'm also Italian. Maybe I want the Germans to do better because I feel like the Italians will do better alongside them. I also don't want another 35 million people dead as you can see from other posts. So I'm not really sure.



Dystopias are fun to read and write.
 

Kongzilla

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Nah I've asked this, apparently they only had a very few members and even then the USA has never really gone well with Totalitarianism/Fascism. Democracies to deeply ingrained in the culture.
 
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