Could the goth language and culture remain relevant to this day?

I was wondering if would be possible in a timeline which the Visigothic Kingdom defeats the moorish invasion, to have iberia remained gothic until modern times

With Gothic I do not mean the Visigothic kingdom, but speaking goth, having a goth culture and maybe spreading it to america during the colonization?

This scenario have so many possible butterflies, but since the PoD is 13 centuries ago I believe it is impossible to prevent them from adopting another language (I'm no expert, and I would like to be prove wrong)

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The problem is that the Visigoths encountered a relatively huge Hispano-Roman population, thus they're easily assimilated.

If you want a surviving Gothic language and culture, well, you should bet on the Ostrogoths: either in Crimea or even Switzerland-Austria region.
 
I suppose it could be possible for the the language, culture and so on to survive within the Gothic Aristocracy.
Overtime Gothic lifestyle is seen as the paramount of society within the region leading to being gradually adopted my all officials.
Say by 1500 you have a strong Gothic upper class with all educated and or of power being assimilated into the culture, 10-15,000 Goths in total could be around at this point.
As colonisation really kicks off, it ends up being for Goths only and so leads it being spread globally and have a rapid population increase.
By the Industrial Revolution I could easily see a population of at least 500,000 Goths throughout the Empire.
Ballpark figure today being 2-5 Million.
It all really comes down to have you plan to wank it...

Consequently This could also lead to a surviving Gothic identity among the gentry of the Italic Peninsula.
This would be certainly increased greatly through the Holy Roman Empire (if it includes otl conquests).
(Ostro)Gothic could be seen as a Roman Successor of some sort, especially if the church joins in on the act.
Gothic replacing Latin could be an interesting though...

Whoever takes the place of Genoa (as long as it is under the Greater Gothic sphere) would bring Crimean Gothic into the sphere, effectively making it the Lingua Franca of the region.
One possible effect of this could be the Ukrainians or event the Tartars adopting (Crimean) Gothic culture and so on.

I think if you are going to wank a Goth, you got to wank all three of them.
 
Spain isn't the way to get the Gothic language/culture to survive. I think there's really three ways--one, get Crimean Gothic to survive. It'll probably be a highly endangered language since I don't see it ever being a major language in Crimea with all the invasions/colonisation that's taken place there over the centuries. Two, get a religious minority amongst the Goths to fragment off and keep to themselves over the centuries, resisting Slavic or other influence. Could combine with the Crimean Gothic one, and could also apply to the survival of any other East Germanic language. But like lots of religious minority languages, it'll probably end up as an endangered language as well. Three, have the Goths migrate to the Romania area and hold out to some degree or another against the Avars, Bulgars, and others who ruled there, and have them assimilate the local Slavs and Vlachs to make basically a Gothic Romania. You could have the Gepids doing that instead, too. The third is probably as big and important as the Gothic culture and language could get, but I suppose there's scenarios that are a bit less modest than mine that could still somehow be realistic to a degree or another.
 
Spain isn't the way to get the Gothic language/culture to survive. I think there's really three ways--one, get Crimean Gothic to survive. It'll probably be a highly endangered language since I don't see it ever being a major language in Crimea with all the invasions/colonisation that's taken place there over the centuries. Two, get a religious minority amongst the Goths to fragment off and keep to themselves over the centuries, resisting Slavic or other influence. Could combine with the Crimean Gothic one, and could also apply to the survival of any other East Germanic language. But like lots of religious minority languages, it'll probably end up as an endangered language as well. Three, have the Goths migrate to the Romania area and hold out to some degree or another against the Avars, Bulgars, and others who ruled there, and have them assimilate the local Slavs and Vlachs to make basically a Gothic Romania. You could have the Gepids doing that instead, too. The third is probably as big and important as the Gothic culture and language could get, but I suppose there's scenarios that are a bit less modest than mine that could still somehow be realistic to a degree or another.
There was a successful challenge for Crimea a few years back which ended we a surprisingly strong number of speakers of Gothic
 
I was wondering if would be possible in a timeline which the Visigothic Kingdom defeats the moorish invasion, to have iberia remained gothic until modern times

With Gothic I do not mean the Visigothic kingdom, but speaking goth, having a goth culture and maybe spreading it to america during the colonization?

This scenario have so many possible butterflies, but since the PoD is 13 centuries ago I believe it is impossible to prevent them from adopting another language (I'm no expert, and I would like to be prove wrong)

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Roman language and culture was too prestigious to make that plausible. As others have said, you'd have to get the Goths to settle somewhere that wasn't very Romanised. Somewhere in the Balkans maybe?

ETA: Though if the Visigoths managed to beat back the Moorish invasion, you might get a larger Gothic influence on the modern *Spanish language.
 
Yes I agree Crimea is safest for Goths to survive all you have to do is build a wall at Perekop istmus and defend it :)
While a wall at the Perekop isthmus seems like a decent idea there is one glaring issue that must be addressed. The Crimea is a peninsula. Yes, a land invasion may be delayed but without a viable naval force that wall will be rendered almost useless if there were an attack from the Black Sea.
 
Behemoth said:
While a wall at the Perekop isthmus seems like a decent idea there is one glaring issue that must be addressed. The Crimea is a peninsula. Yes, a land invasion may be delayed but without a viable naval force that wall will be rendered almost useless if there were an attack from the Black Sea.
A vassalage under a strong and capable Byzantine empire (without Manzikert) would help
 
Maybe a surviving Ostrogothic kingdom (for a time) where the area outside Italy in modern Austria/Slovenia/Croatia/Bosnia/Western Hungary retains Gothic as a language?

Italy will have a Romance language, but the other areas of the Ostrogothic kingdom could retain Gothic. Perhaps even with the presence of the Gepids, Gothic could survive as the Gepids were also an east Germanic people. An area that has persistent presence rule by the Ostrogoths and East Gepids probably causes one of the East Germanic languages to survive.

Unlike Crimea, that is a large enough area where a real state could form and protect the people and culture. I feel Crimea is just too small to ensure the survival of the language.
 
As others have pointed out, Gothic languages have the best chances for survival in Eastern Europe.

What do you mean by Gothic culture, though? Arianism? Most of what characterised the cultures 1500 years ago inevitably changed beyond recognition, regardless of who ruled, which language was spoken etc.
(Denmark, for example, has remaine pretty much unconquered throughout history, but that doesn't mean Denmark's contemporary culture could be meaningfully called "a surviving Viking culture".)
 
As others have pointed out, Gothic languages have the best chances for survival in Eastern Europe.

What do you mean by Gothic culture, though? Arianism? Most of what characterised the cultures 1500 years ago inevitably changed beyond recognition, regardless of who ruled, which language was spoken etc.
(Denmark, for example, has remaine pretty much unconquered throughout history, but that doesn't mean Denmark's contemporary culture could be meaningfully called "a surviving Viking culture".)

By "Gothic culture," I assume he means an East Germanic language/custom decended from the language/customs of the Greutungi and Thervingi, who had been pushed out of Eastern Europe by the Huns.

Like you said, the contemporary culture would be radically different than the Gothic culture of the Antiquity, but even the Danes can trace a direct line of cultural succession all the way back to the Germanic Bronze Age, which I think is the goal here. It wouldn't be Gothic culture, but the contemporary people would still call themselves something similar to Gautar/Gut-þiuda and the like.

As for where in the world this could occur, the best chance the Goths have of surviving as a recognizable culture is to prevent the Hunnic invasions from happening, thus butterflying away the Great Migrations. The culture itself may undergo heavy Slavicisation in the centuries following, but a basic cultural continuum would have been established.
 
The Gepids would either have to migrate to Transylvania to survive, or alternatively defeat the Avars, Slavs, Charlemagne's forces, and Magyars. Pannonia is right in the middle of an invasion route from the steppes. They'd need a lot of luck, which neither they nor any of the pre-Magyar occupants of the region seemed to have enough of.
 
The Wisigoths had perhaps one of the best modi operandi to assimilate to their occupied population, so I doubt that Wisigothic culture would remain prominent, especially since most of Al-Andalus remained ruled by Wisigothic rulers with just converted to Islam for a while after the Arabo-Berber army invaded, and the Kingdom of the Asturias was truly a Wisigothic creation.
Therefore, the Wisigoths are not within the field of the possible. Ostrogoths and Crimean Goths a contrario are feasible.
 
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