Could the Axis have stalemated the USA?

BlondieBC

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I contest this point based off of the fact that activity logs show him to have been in constant meetings with what would become the future STAVKA, sometimes going 22 hours straight. Stalin's nervous breakdown is a myth borne out of the Khrushchev era that never really took place. He was shocked and flailing about trying to discover what was going on, but he never broke down entirely.

I have seen multiple sources saying he did have a break down, and the logs could just as easily be faked as the breakdown sources. In either case, Stalin could have easily taken a bullet to the head for the betterment of the USSR either due to his military failures or his breakdown.
 
I have seen multiple sources saying he did have a break down, and the logs could just as easily be faked as the breakdown sources. In either case, Stalin could have easily taken a bullet to the head for the betterment of the USSR either due to his military failures or his breakdown.

True. He almost brokedown.

But the politbuero was more afraid of what to do without him, then with him. Stalin fully expected to be removed from his position after he got the news that the Germans were crossing the boarder, partly because he'd been telling everyone they wouldn't!


Its a pivot point in history, and without Stalin you have no 'Iron Man' to see the Soviet Union through those times. The Wehrmacht would have done better, and might have bagged Moscow and gone futher before the war turned, but how the backdoor politics play out in the Soviet High command is unknown....all we can say with much certainty is that the Russians may have taken another 6 months to a year to get things turned around, and there won't be a load of '43 strategic blunders.

On the otherhand, White Russia could have imploded, and the whole political system fall apart leaving another 'civil war' without any central authority or figurehead.

This is the 'best' the Germans could ever get without things being ASB.

Even then, they are left with their version of Japans China, they have a vast Russian front and area full of partisan activity and an active war front there they must still fight for the forseeable future even if those fighting don't have much central control and coordination.


While I agree nominally with Snakefeatherson and that other poster with the name beginning with S... I do not paint the picture as black and white the Germans 'never had a hope in hell' there could have been tipping points that came down differently causing a myriad of different outcomes.

Some of those would not grant too hard a stretch of an imagination to various forms of 'won' claims being made.

Rather, I say there is the chance, but its slim.
 
It is possible, given just one front and some good luck, that the Germans could have ground the Western Allies down for a while (repelling D-Day and future attempts with more and better soldiers in the West, defending themselves against Strategic Bombing with increased fighter production-especially the Me 262- and suchlike.) But when sufficient nuclear bombs start flying, their resistance would collapse. I doubt the ability of the Nazis to exploit their captured industries that effectively whilst simultaneously exterminating the locals, dodging partisans and having just fought a massive scale war over them whilst suffering heavy bombing. And in any case, it won't be enough for them to overtake Allied nuclear development.
 
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