Could Hitler Of Won The War If...

Saphroneth

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If his personality was different then the outcome would be different. Alternate history cannot change personalities now?
Alternate history is not piling up divergence after divergence. It is about making a change (or a small group at most) and showing how things develop from there.
 

SeaPony

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No, the Weimar Republic was a democracy and was fairly stable in the middle years. It took the Nazis being the largest party in the Reichstag in the middle of an apocalyptic depression to get Hitler into power via a coup! And even then he had to have special laws passed to get him the ability to circumvent the Reichstag.

Your view of history is kind of cartoony.

I know what he Weimar republic was and it was weak and crumbling after the crash using that weakness Hitler could of taken power by a violent coup.
 

SeaPony

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Alternate history is not piling up divergence after divergence. It is about making a change (or a small group at most) and showing how things develop from there.

So alternate history is what people on here say it is? You can't change multiple things?
 
If Germany developed the atom bomb in 1942 then they could force America in peace. But that would be 'impossible' by some people on here although that is alternate history.
Because it would be impossible. The atomic bomb cost an ungodly sum of money, and took a huge amount of resources. It required a team of scientists from around the world, and even then it took about 3 years to complete. Read up on all the problems the Manhattan Project had to overcome. Meanwhile the German program was hampered by their ban on "Jewish physics" and their persecution of Jewish scientists (which was an essential part of their ideology), and Heisenberg had even calculated the critical mass wrong, making the Germans think that a bomb wouldn't be possible until future technologies had been created.

And even if an ASB hands Germany an atomic bomb they still lose the war. Why? Because the Allies have a huge amount of airplanes and chemical and biological weapons. Britain would have dropped 5 million linseed cakes filled with anthrax over Germany, killing the livestock and leading to a famine. The Allies would bathe Germany is mustard and phosgene gas.
 
Please be aware that there is an awlful.lot of knowledge on this board. It might be better to use this resource than trying to fight it.
 

Saphroneth

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So alternate history is what people on here say it is? You can't change multiple things?
Alternate history on this site is absolutely what people on this site say it is!

We have a strong commitment to plausibility here - the less a story requires in terms of artificial divergence from our timeline, and the more it runs on the natural course of events after that change, the better it is viewed.
 

SeaPony

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Because it would be impossible. The atomic bomb cost an ungodly sum of money, and took a huge amount of resources. It required a team of scientists from around the world, and even then it took about 3 years to complete. Read up on all the problems the Manhattan Project had to overcome. Meanwhile the German program was hampered by their ban on "Jewish physics" and their persecution of Jewish scientists (which was an essential part of their ideology), and Heisenberg had even calculated the critical mass wrong, making the Germans think that a bomb wouldn't be possible until future technologies had been created.

And even if an ASB hands Germany an atomic bomb they still lose the war. Why? Because the Allies have a huge amount of airplanes and chemical and biological weapons. Britain would have dropped 5 million linseed cakes filled with anthrax over Germany, killing the livestock and leading to a famine. The Allies would bathe Germany is mustard and phosgene gas.

But if Hitler still hated the jews but used them for the war then we would have a different story if we are talking about the development of the atom bomb?
 

TFSmith121

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As always:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DnRn9hyFU

Hey! Hey, you! That's right! That's right! Say hello to Ford! And General fucking Motors! Look at you! You have horses! What were you thinking?!
... dragging our asses half-way around the world and for what?! You ignorant, servile scum! What the fuck are we doing here!?


GI Generation poetry at its finest.

Best,
 
But if Hitler still hated the jews but used them for the war then we would have a different story if we are talking about the development of the atom bomb?

The thing about hating people is that it tends to make them disinclined to assist you in succeeding.
 

SeaPony

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I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.

Used their knowledge to develop new weapons during the war instead of wasting resources and time exterminating them... but you would say this would not make them nazis even when they still hate jews but would want to use them instead of exterminating them.
 

Saphroneth

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Paying off people in the government. Threatening them.

Correct me if I am wrong Hitler did pay off French generals to stand down?
So your idea is that Hitler, the leader of a party with 2% of the government, manages to seize power in a violent coup (how, by killing everyone else in the Reichstag?) and then pay off hundreds upon hundreds of people so they just give up on resisting him? With what money?
Germany in 1930 had a reasonable tradition of democracy. It took years of increasingly crushing depression before they gave Hitler a chance.

Actually, even if Hitler had gotten into power in 1930, he'd have been out again in 1933 because the economy would have just kept getting worse!
 

Saphroneth

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Used their knowledge to develop new weapons during the war instead of wasting resources and time exterminating them... but you would say this would not make them nazis even when they still hate jews but would want to use them instead of exterminating them.
Why would the Jews help with this, exactly? The Nazis hardly made a secret of their outright loathing for Jews, it's part of what got them in power to begin with!
 

SeaPony

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Why would the Jews help with this, exactly? The Nazis hardly made a secret of their outright loathing for Jews, it's part of what got them in power to begin with!

In an alternate reality. ALTERNATE. You can still hate someone and use them at the same time.
 
No, the Weimar Republic was a democracy and was fairly stable in the middle years. It took the Nazis being the largest party in the Reichstag in the middle of an apocalyptic depression to get Hitler into power via a coup! And even then he had to have special laws passed to get him the ability to circumvent the Reichstag.

Your view of history is kind of cartoony.

I wouldn't describe the enabling act as a coup. More like a creative way to keep as many anti Nazis away from the Reichstag so you can make the chancellor as powerful as the president with a near permanent article 48. And the Nazis were democractely elected.
 

Saphroneth

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In an alternate reality. ALTERNATE. You can still hate someone and use them at the same time.
That's not what I asked.
I asked why the Jews would help them with this. Remember that the Jews are able to make decisions, being humans, and in our reality when Jews and others were used as slaves they deliberately sabotaged the work they were doing whenever it was safe to do so.


A blazing row is really not the best introduction to the board. Speak softly, brothers.
A fair point.
I suppose I'm mainly having a hard time reining in my disbelief that someone could speak so authoritatively about WW2 while being so... well, this.

I wouldn't describe the enabling act as a coup. More like a creative way to keep as many anti Nazis away from the Reichstag so you can make the chancellor as powerful as the president with a near permanent article 48. And the Nazis were democractely elected.


I meant the deal that made him Chancellor in the first place to be the coup, it's got a lot of the characteristics of a palace coup.
 

SeaPony

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That's not what I asked.
I asked why the Jews would help them with this. Remember that the Jews are able to make decisions, being humans, and in our reality when Jews and others were used as slaves they deliberately sabotaged the work they were doing whenever it was safe to do so.



A fair point.
I suppose I'm mainly having a hard time reining in my disbelief that someone could speak so authoritatively about WW2 while being so... well, this.




I meant the deal that made him Chancellor in the first place to be the coup, it's got a lot of the characteristics of a palace coup.
Why did the jews go on the train? Because they would be shot if they did not comply.
 
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