WI: Russia never goes communist after WW1, preventing the USSR from ever coming into existence. Is it possible that the communists could still win the Chinese civil war?
Without a large regime attempting to operate in practice, Marxism is little more than blue sky ideology. Some of the closest examples in practice were faith-based communal towns in the American Midwest, all of which abandoned their experiments.
They pretty much did without the USSR helping. And they even diverged from it's ideology to more focused on rural areas than Urban, like the USSR. To be honest, while I don't think the idea of a nation wholly guiding itself with Marx will be a thing,I don't doubt that China could be led by a party that is pretty left wing. Though it would really depend on the individuals who take power and their ideas, and if they have the power to bring those ideas to the fullest.WI: Russia never goes communist after WW1, preventing the USSR from ever coming into existence. Is it possible that the communists could still win the Chinese civil war?
Russia had the problem with despotic church-state rule. If China started first, faith-based issues would scarcely be considered and the world opinion of socialism will not evoke as much fear as it did in OTL America.But why does Russia have to be the first? Why couldn't China be?
Actually that is not correct the Hutterite comunal communities in northwest US and Canadian prairie provinces are not only surviving but thriving. Each colony of several dozen families works together, eats together and these farming communities are very large and profitable. Unlike state sponsored communism they are open and anyone can leave if they wish. They interact with outside world very successfullyWithout a large regime attempting to operate in practice, Marxism is little more than blue sky ideology. Some of the closest examples in practice were faith-based communal towns in the American Midwest, all of which abandoned their experiments.
Actually that is not correct the Hutterite comunal communities in northwest US and Canadian prairie provinces are not only surviving but thriving. Each colony of several dozen families works together, eats together and these farming communities are very large and profitable. Unlike state sponsored communism they are open and anyone can leave if they wish. They interact with outside world very successfully
When you have hundreds of communities across the prairies of both the US and Canada and their communities are growing and they are establishing new communities yes they are thriving. This is a religious comunal community. The true meaning of communism. I posted this to counter the comment they not exist or gone.Several dozen families are hardly "thriving". From what I have read if there are 2,000 of them that is a lot. Without state power backing them up, it would be hard for them to prevent someone from leaving. To be honest I doubt they would anyway as they sound pacifistic.
When you have hundreds of communities across the prairies of both the US and Canada and their communities are growing and they are establishing new communities yes they are thriving. This is a religious comunal community. The true meaning of communism. I posted this to counter the comment they not exist or gone.
Also the size of their communities is based on the need for people to run their farms or business. When population grows too large they break off and establish new community.
I posted about free to leave to state they not some group that forces its people to stay. They are seen shopping or in cities on business all the time and can leave if they wish.
Actually there are over 43,000 people scattered over 450 communities in northern US northern plains and Canadian prairies.When I looked them up on their own web site there was an average of 15 families in these colonies not "dozens". If there are 100 of these colonies you are talking around 8,000 or so. In a country of 300 million that isn't much. Not surprising as I never heard of them before.
Actually there are over 43,000 people scattered over 450 communities in northern US northern plains and Canadian prairies.
I find it hard to understand your attitude if dismissing them as true communism communities since they represent communal living which was what communism is about. That they continue to grown in size and number of communities means they are true communist communities where state sponsored communism is dying and only states surviving are those being kept together by force.
That you have not heard of them is because they are not concentrated close high density population places and are not out there recruiting new members or converting. Since they live in modern communities, use modern farming practices and so forth you would not know if their existence unless you see them for they are dressed differently than typical North American.
They pretty much did without the USSR helping. And they even diverged from it's ideology to more focused on rural areas than Urban, like the USSR. To be honest, while I don't think the idea of a nation wholly guiding itself with Marx will be a thing,I don't doubt that China could be led by a party that is pretty left wing. Though it would really depend on the individuals who take power and their ideas, and if they have the power to bring those ideas to the fullest.
No actually they took everything that the Japanese had put there such as machinery and vehicles left the area desolate and turned it over to the nationalist governmentDidn't the USSR re supply the Chinese communists in Manchuria?
No actually they took everything that the Japanese had put there such as machinery and vehicles left the area desolate and turned it over to the nationalist government
Back in school IIRC, I learned that the USSR actually supplied the KMT, as the Soviets didn't like the CCP all that much.Didn't the USSR re supply the Chinese communists in Manchuria?
They pretty much did without the USSR helping. And they even diverged from it's ideology to more focused on rural areas than Urban, like the USSR.