That means a pre Islamic Bosnian ?A decisive Serbo-Bosniak victory at Kosovo Field in 1389 against the Ottomans prevents the latter party's expansion into the western Balkans. Tvrtko I of Bosnia also lives longer, allowing for more dynastic stability. Bosnia's hegemony over the post-Dusan Serb principalities continues, and the kingdom absorbs them piece by piece, alongside a conquest of Croatia from Hungary.
Isn't that basically serbian?That means a pre Islamic Bosnian ?
Isn't that basically serbian?
Isn't that basically serbian?
Orthodox South Slav =/= SerbThat's the biggest problem - depending on who's in control, they shifted from being a Croat state to a Serb one, the latter being the normal state most of the time. There could be a Bosnian Empire, but it would just become Serbia the instant all others are subsumed
Orthodox South Slav =/= Serb
Tvrtko's orthodox subjects wouldn't have all have called themselves Serbs.
Maybe Bosnia seperates from Ottoman and pulls an Mehemet Ali. Maybe even a rebel Ottoman prince with Bosnian heritage. This ATL Bosnia maybe somehow controlls the European part of Ottoman Empire.Obviously IOTL Bosnia never even reached major regional power, but there's a lot of talk about how any nation could be an empire.
Is there any realistic way Bosnia could have become its own Empire, or has it been doomed to relative wider irrelevance for all of history?
'cept they did - there exists written proof
The peasantry? Probably tucked away somewhere. Most of these "who is who" discussions wouldn't be if the eternal german didn't decide to bomb our national library back in '41
Written proof of ALL OF THEM?'cept they did - there exists written proof
If we talk about Muslim bosnia, Maybe a bosnian version of Muhammad Ali Egypt and eventually said state control otl serbia, montenegro (and maybe dalmatia coast if we pushing it harder) territory. Plus Kosovo and part of Macedonia if really lucky.
Although there are some problem need to be address about it.
1. Either Austria disintergrate or at very least have bigger problem to deal with. To Allow potential bosnian state to develop in its crucial early year.
2. Ottoman strong enough to hold of Russia at bay but not to the point of reconquer bosnia is more worth than the trouble. Can be count as allies sometime. Maybe stay as nominal vassal but more and less independent.
3. Support of other power like France. Like diplomatic support to keep potential enemy think twice.
Bonus:
-No Italian unification or at least later.
-All slavic muslim in this bosnian empire is counted as bosniak and indentify as that. To keep the state as bosnia rather than mini Yugoslavia in all but name.
Tvrtko's orthodox subjects wouldn't have all have called themselves Serbs.
Are we talking a wider definition here of Serb here? They certainly wouldn't have called themselves Rascian for example. Which was the impression I was initially given.The overwhelming majority of them would have. Identity in medieval Bosnia was...complicated...but it wasn't that complicated.
Are we talking a wider definition here of Serb here? They certainly wouldn't have called themselves Rascian for example. Which was the impression I was initially given.