Corsica, Cyprus and Gibraltar after a CP victory

[Flying Dutchman]

what if, the germans manage to occupy British kenya and Nigeria for example, would they be able to claim it ?

Having a Germany capable of fighting a colonial war with Britain on equal footing, being able to keep their conquests after the British ship in reinforcements and being able to supply their people from Europe (colonial forces aren't self sustaining) would require a disaster for the British as PoD. The Rohal Navy needs to be much weaker than reallife.

If Britain has its reallife capabilities, even a strenghtened CP can only get a White Peace out of them.

Also, Mittelafrika only existed in the heads of Wilhelm II and the Colonial Office. Most sane politicians would easily trade all their colonies for a slice of Belgium. Still, a victorious CP could claim the Belgium Congo, French Congo and parts of French Equatorial Africa.

 

[Berus]

but i need Austrian colonies too, it is a very small colonial empire, my idea would have been:

Madagascar + surronding islands, Reunion and the Comores, Mauritius and Fiji was buyed before the war
French Guinea (gained after WW, the germans had no need for it, so the austrians took the chance, better than leaving for the french)
Portugese Guinea (gained after WWI)
Tunisia (maybe)
New Caledonia (germany has no real interest, and allows the austrians to get that territory

Later the Austrians also buy Newguinea from the dutch

it may is a bit unrealistic, but i dont think it is ASB

 

[yourworstnightmare]

but i need Austrian colonies too, it is a very small colonial empire, my idea would have been:

Madagascar + surronding islands, Reunion and the Comores, Mauritius and Fiji was buyed before the war
French Guinea (gained after WW, the germans had no need for it, so the austrians took the chance, better than leaving for the french)
Portugese Guinea (gained after WWI)
Tunisia (maybe)
New Caledonia (germany has no real interest, and allows the austrians to get that territory

Later the Austrians also buy Newguinea from the dutch

How would Austria be able to sustain a colonial empire? Well a few islands here and there, would be much stabler than their European empire.

 

[Berus]

I have a 1890 POD, navy is better and it is more industralized and more intrested in colonies, to be competitive with other powers such as italy, if italy manages it, why should austria be unable, also the austrian colonial empire is really small, but still gives them prestige, even if it is that small.

 

[yourworstnightmare]

I have a 1890 POD, navy is better and it is more industralized and more intrested in colonies, to be competitive with other powers such as italy, if italy manages it, why should austria be unable, also the austrian colonial empire is really small, but still gives them prestige, even if it is that small.

Well Austria had a couple of blocks in Tianjin as a concession from the Boxer rebellion.

 

[Flying Dutchman]

but i need Austrian colonies too, it is a very small colonial empire, my idea would have been:

Madagascar + surronding islands, Reunion and the Comores, Mauritius and Fiji was buyed before the war
French Guinea (gained after WW, the germans had no need for it, so the austrians took the chance, better than leaving for the french)
Portugese Guinea (gained after WWI)
Tunisia (maybe)
New Caledonia (germany has no real interest, and allows the austrians to get that territory

Later the Austrians also buy Newguinea from the dutch

it may is a bit unrealistic, but i dont think it is ASB

Personally I consider it ASB. Austria has no need and no desire for colonies. Britain would never allow the transfer of French Guyana (nor will the USA accept it) or New Caledonia (too close to Australia) to anyone but an ally. Tunisia is strategically too important for France and too big for Austria to control. Madagascar is worthless for a colonizer and has a native population thays very hostile. The Dutch would never sell part of the East-Indies.

No offence to you or your timeline, but Austrian colonies are ASB by default. Also, even when destroyed, France wouldn't give away anything in North Africa.

 

[Berus]

I think they would be able to get some minor colonies aswell, even belgium managed to have a colony much bigger than itself, and austrias colonies are very small.

 

[yourworstnightmare]

I think they would be able to get some minor colonies aswell, even belgium managed to have a colony much bigger than itself, and austrias colonies are very small.

1) Belgium have Atlantic access
2) Leopold was one cunning bastard.

Still, if Austria would get a colony somewhere it would be some small island. Didn't someone have Austria getting parts of Borneo??

 

[Ulster]

There where some wheelings and dealings with Sarawak, ending up in the hands of the White Raja's, but I thought it where the Italians. Still, a more serious attempt would have let to the British and Dutch 'asking' any European power from leaving the archipelago immediately.

There's also the unusual tale of Baron von Overbeck - he secured a lease to Sabah, then tried to get Austria to back him financially. The Austrians refused to have anything to do with it. Then he offered it to Italy as a penal colony. That too fell through. So off to the British it went.

 

[Flying Dutchman]

There's also the unusual tale of Baron von Overbeck - he secured a lease to Sabah, then tried to get Austria to back him financially. The Austrians refused to have anything to do with it. Then he offered it to Italy as a penal colony. That too fell through. So off to the British it went.

One of those nice quirks in history.

Still, the Indonesian archipelago was dominated by the Dutch and English. The British would probably chased of the Baron if he had persisted in keeping the area.

 

[Berus]

what if the austrians would have got Sabah ?

 

[Ulster]

One of those nice quirks in history.

Still, the Indonesian archipelago was dominated by the Dutch and English. The British would probably chased of the Baron if he had persisted in keeping the area.

Oh certainly, but it's a nice little POD to ponder every now and then

 

[yourworstnightmare]

what if the austrians would have got Sabah ?

Well Britain and the Netherlands would not be amused. But the only thing that really change is that Austria has a little colony.

 

[Berus]

also i just want to know why the austrians should be unable to have colonies if the italians had them too. Also in my timeline it would only have some small pieces of land and some islands.

 

[yourworstnightmare]

also i just want to know why the austrians should be unable to have colonies if the italians had them too.

The Austrians were never interested enough. And Austria did have a little colony, a few streets in Tianjin.

 

[Flying Dutchman]

also i just want to know why the austrians should be unable to have colonies if the italians had them too.

The horribly complicated political situation of the Empire would stimy any attempt.

The Austrians where an old and respected great power. No need to push ones weight around like newcomers as Germany and Italy.

The internal problems are too big to waste even a pfennig on some colony.

No naval tradition, no easy access at sea, few military ports, no major commercial ports, no overseas interests to require coaling ports.

IMO you can strenghten Austria in a timeline, but colonies make it ASB.

 

[Berus]

never were, but what if their opinion gets changed, the rivalty between AUstria and italy is even bigger in my timeline, because of a little incident which happens between them, both are wary about eachother. Seeing that the italians have colonies, the austrians want to be competitive, and have some colonies for themselves and think "if the italians can do that, we can too".

 

[Flying Dutchman]

never were, but what if their opinion gets changed, the rivalty between AUstria and italy is even bigger in my timeline, because of a little incident which happens between them, both are wary about eachother. Seeing that the italians have colonies, the austrians want to be competitive, and have some colonies for themselves and think "if the italians can do that, we can too".

I still don't think the old and venerable Empire would care about Italy controlling Somalia or Eritrea. They would invest the money in increasing their ports and fleet and laugh at Italies feeble attempts to look respectable.
Only reasonable thing I can think of is that Austria would pilfer Kefalonia the aftermath of WW1, to gain a base that cannot be blocked at Otrano, but since Greece is a CP in your timeline, thats of the table. Nothing else what would interest a more powerful Austria IMO. They are by definition the opposite of a colonial power.

 

[Berus]

then the only thing i can do is making my timeline ASB,

 

[Flying Dutchman]

then the only thing i can do is making my timeline ASB, even if it is not really what i wanted.

Its your timeline, you can do with it whatever you like, but in my opinion it would require a PoD in the 17th century to make Austria a colonial power. I cannot see any plausibleway, or even slightly ASB way to give Austria a colony and I really tried to come up with a reasonable proposition for you..