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Why would they want Cyrenaica? Southern Albania seems like the likeliest addition to Greek territory if they joined the CP.
Corsica, Cyprus and Gibraltar after a CP victory
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Why would they want Cyrenaica? Southern Albania seems like the likeliest addition to Greek territory if they joined the CP.
I could also see parts of Macedonia - but that depends on what Bulgaria wants from Serbia.
Considering the Dodecanes I'm not that sure that it would go Turkey in any case. The Greeks already wanted it IOTL, and the Ottomans will be more interested in Cyprus, Egypt and Libya. The whole thing very much depends on when the Ottomans join, when the Greeks join, how the Greeks support the CP before the war (troop movements through Greek territories, banning supplies for Serbia...) and how the Greeks contribute to the war later. If they just jump the winning side, whereas the Ottomans fought from the beginning, the Greeks will barely gain anything.
Considering AH: I don't see any colonies. Otranto is easy to blockade, and even if the Austrians gain Albania to counter that (say together with Montenegro - weren't the Muslims in Bosnia rather supportive?) they'd just reach the Med that could easily be blockaded as well. And of course even AH participating in an ASB-level CP victory still has plenty of domestic problems to solve and so far had shown no real interest in colonies.
Corsica- French, no reason to give it to anyone else. Italy was Entente.
Cyprus- British, I doubt Britain would lose any territory. The Central Powers have no way to threaten the British Empire or the British homeland.
Gibraltar- British
Cyprus- British, I doubt Britain would lose any territory. The Central Powers have no way to threaten the British Empire or the British homeland.
Gibraltar- British
well, if the british are beaten, what can they do ? they have to agree germanys terms or risk that their country breaks apart due to financial problems and unhapiness of the population. They are alone, the CP are still standing. Because according to some of you, the briish are invulnerable, which i can't imagine it is.
If Britain offers to return to 1914 borders after France is defeated Germany would agree. Britain wouldn't be able to beat Germany at this point, but neither would Germany be able to beat Britain. (Germany can't invade Britain, the British navy still stand supreme, and Germany has lost the Colonial War long ago) Germany would be happy to annex French and Belgian colonies and leave the British Empire alone in exchange for peace (remember Britain is occupying a lot of German colonies since 1915).
It's not that the British are invulnerable, it's just that Germany and even less A-h are not capable of enforcing any term...what can they do? Invade Great Britain? And even Germany and A-h will not in great shape and probaly too occupied in holding together and keep their possession to go red or simply rise.
The germans were convinced that they get the colonies during a victory in Europe and they also meant british colony, otherwise i cant see why the wargoal "Mittelafrika" was considered as one of the most important war goal. also why would some african colonies be important for britain, they still have India.
IF the germans knew that it would be impossible to gain those territories i doubt they would even consider it, that would just be a waste of time.
you dont have to occupy London in order to bring the british down to the knees, nor do you need a naval victory, a britain which is exhausted from the war even more than the CP are, a britain which is alone and has money problems, would may agree with the german claims, why risk that they country ends like Russia, why not just accept and give them some of the rather unimportant colonies in Africa ? They still have South africa and the whole India, those two are most important.
IF the germans knew that it would be impossible to gain those territories i doubt they would even consider it, that would just be a waste of time.
you dont have to occupy London in order to bring the british down to the knees, nor do you need a naval victory, a britain which is exhausted from the war even more than the CP are, a britain which is alone and has money problems, would may agree with the german claims, why risk that they country ends like Russia, why not just accept and give them some of the rather unimportant colonies in Africa ? They still have South africa and the whole India, those two are most important.
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The wargoal of Germany seem to change on weekly basis
Welcome to the world of international diplomacy and utter nonsense
Because except harsh word you don't have the capacity of done nothing about it. London can just say we quit and we keep the colonies for the disturb that German except fuming of rage is not in the position to do nothing, even because they had more pressant problem at home and they must digest their european conquest.
THe Uk can reach Germany and Germany can't reach the UK so even if officially still at war they will probably stop caring and go on with their life till the next round
and if the british say, we get all of the german colonies and the whole of Prussia, the germans have to agree aswell....
I just cant imagine them being that stubborn, i would rather give up some colonies instead of having even more suffering in my country. And i doubt the germans would be happy with a white peace after all the effort they put into that war.
I just cant imagine them being that stubborn, i would rather give up some colonies instead of having even more suffering in my country. And i doubt the germans would be happy with a white peace after all the effort they put into that war.
No, absolutely even because the UK is not capable of taking the whole Prussia but as said a lot earlier Germany is not capable of enforcing anything on Great Britain or even try to retake any of his colony (same thing with Japan) so we have this strange situation
It's not that simple, if you cleary read all the diplomatic move of the various player you will note that with hindsight they were basically the most stubborn idiocy ever seen in history and in the end the Germans will be happy that all will be ended after all they had enough in Europe and colony where not so popular just a prestige project, honestly all their attention will be now on keeping their empire, decide what to do with the A-H empire and suppress internal dissident and the political repercussion of this really costly victory. So getting rid of some godforgotten african and asian place is the minor problem.
They won't say that. They will allow Germany to demand colonial concessions from France and Belgium, and restore the German colonial empire to pre-war borders. But if Germany refuses (which they won't, they will be happy drawing maps with French Central African colonies and the Congo being coloured German grey) what can Germany do? They can't invade Britain with a inferior navy.
Well, technically, it's not a white peace, since France and Russia will get served a standard treaty.
For that the German colonial army need to be way better than OTL. Remember in OTL all colonies but German East Africa fell in early 1915. But yeah, if Germany had some colonial victories they would be in a much better situation. Even if Britain might not give them Nigeria and Kenya, London would be willing to give up territory to preserve their richer colonies.
It's a big feat even because there are not capable of supply or sent reinforcements. Honestly after the war if Germany (or A-H) had even colonies at their list they become the post-boy of the overextended (they already are but now even more)
Well fat juicy colonies was what the German wanted. They dreamed of a Mittelsafrika.
In my timeline, germany will pay for their "colonial dream". While everything is good at first, in the 50s there will be a a big war in the african colonies because they want independence, leading to a big economic crisis (they are already weakend from World war II) the fall of the german empire and it becomes a republic. Also their satellite states like Poland and the baltics revolt aswell.
Can't you do that with just French and Belgian colonies going to Germany??
The problem is that the German colonial army was not really great (not really meant to fight other colonial powers, just suppress the natives), couldn't be supplied in a war with Britain (the royal navy) and likewise couldn't be reinforced. Meanwhile Britain and France could supply and reinforce their colonial armies easily (and their colonial armies were better trained and better equipped to begin with).