Contemporary Culture and Society in a Total Axis-Victory World

I'm currently working on a novel set in an total Axis-victory world and have read among other things The Man in the High Castle in full for the first time for that purpose. I fully understand that such a total Axis-victory (ie one where the Axis powers goes on to militarily defeat not just Britain and the USSR but even the United States) was utterly implausible for strategic and economic reasons, so I will not attempt to argue for its possibility. What I am more interested in is how such an Axis-victory world would develop into by the present day. Broadly speaking, the strategic situation is similar to the world of MitHC with the globe split into two power blocs led respectively by the Third Reich and Japan, but there were plenty of implausibilities in the book that it will not be the "same" alternate world (ie the Nazi space expeditions to Mars and Venus or the genocide of Africa).

That said, here's a few of my thoughts and considerations that I have regarding the world of my novel:

Government-The main setting of my novel as is the case in Dick's work would be in the West Coast of the United States, under the government of a Japanese ally. However I found the name "Pacific States of America" unlikely since in the event of an Axis occupation of America and partition of its territories, they would almost certainly have tried to split the American Republic. A name like "PSA" would recall too much the original American identity of the Pacific Coast which the Japanese would not wish to encourage (of course the fact that both Germanies after World War II retained that name may provide a counterpoint to this), which would lead them to encourage instead the concept of a new and separate nation of which "Pacifica" would be the most obvious name (since the area would cover everything from the Arctic Circle to San Diego and probably as far east as the Continental Divide rather than just California). Due to the nature of American political culture and society, I suspect states under Axis rule would be relatively open and non-totalitarian. Resistance groups would certainly exist in such a country no matter how marginal they would be and can be classified into two broad groupings with further divisions for the latter: 1) groups sponsored by the "eastern" American state (which may retain the label of the United States and its American identity) and its German ally-probably some sort of a fascist/National Socialist outfit that calls for the liberation of the West Coast's Aryans from Oriental despotism and the reunification of the American English-speaking peoples and 2) groups opposed to both of the Axis powers which would include a) nativist groups akin to the KKK which would not be very much fond of Germans notwithstanding their racialist rhetoric for obvious nationalistic reasons, b) a broad, "liberal" democratic organization akin to the Free French, and c) a far-leftist communist groupings, with orthodox Marxism ironically enough being in a stronger intellectual position with the destruction of the Soviet Union.

Society and Culture-Pacifican society will probably be proportionally far less whiter than our world's West Coast due to many Anglos migrating to live under the rule of those of their own race in the East Coast. Conversely, there may be proportionally more blacks and Hispanics depending on how their treatment differs in the two North American states for the former and how much immigration from Latin American states is permitted for the latter (this probably is heavily dependent upon whether Mexico is in the Co-Prosperity Sphere). Almost certainly there would be a higher proportion of East Asians including not just the Japanese but also Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese, and so forth there for military, administrative, and business purposes along with permanent settlers filling the demand for labour after white flight and retirees attracted by the natural setting of the place. The Japanese government may very well encourage such an "Asianization" of Pacifica to further dilute its connection to its American heritage. Overall, without the massive growth of the Sunbelt or American's vigourous economy in OTL's postwar era the West Coast will be less populated and developed. The latter would be especially true since the Japanese would probably high-density urban growth policies over massive sprawl and suburbanization-especially since without American's postwar economic boom there will be far fewer middle-class people able to afford a house in the suburbs and an automobile for commuting. Large tracts of Southern California, for instance, would probably remain orange and lemon groves-owned by Japanese agricultural interests and worked by Hispanic, and Indonesian workers. The Japanese and Pacificans would retain the relatively extensively urban and interurban public transportation system of prewar times and expand and improve upon them as an alternative to the Interstates.

The development of the education system would be another area of some interest. In a fairly authoritarian society such as Pacifica, it is quite likely many people will see the Japanese educational system as "superior" as was the case OTL when Japanese economic growth seemed to threaten American dominance in the '80s. Certainly things like school uniforms in public schools will probably be far more common along with more authoritarian methods of teaching. The summer vacation would be abolished for the antiquated relic of the 19th Century it is.

Apologies for the relatively incoherent nature of my ramblings. I may post more later.

Any thoughts?
 
Well, with time the culture of Axis-occupied America will morph away from the (relatively) liberal views of 1940. Educational systems, especially in areas under Nazi occupation, will very quickly mold the majority of young people in to good new "aryans", or to adapt to subservient status. In Japanese areas, expect that certain elements of Japanese culture such as Emperor respect will be enforced, as well as second class status of whites. In all areas, it will be readily apparent that "going along" with the new regimes and their rules/ideas will not end well.

As far as "resistance" goes, unlike OTL where those in occupied countries had a hope that the Allies still fighting would defeat the Axis, here there is no such hope. While you may have some military remnants resisting early on, longer term the only resistance groups will be those who have no hope. These would be Jews, especially in Nazi occupied areas but to some extent anywhere if they can't get a new identity, blacks pretty much everywhere, and folks whose families have been trashed or have similar hates for the occupiers. You can pretty much forget "communists", there weren't that many in the USA and those that exist will be done in quickly, and really no opportunity to train/recruit new ones. Before too terribly long any "resistance" groups will be limited to empty spaces on the maps (mountains, forests, deserts, etc). Again, with time their support system in the cities/towns will fade as reprisals kick in - and you know they will be vicious on both sides of the coin. The USA (and Canada) are big and have lots of places where folks like that can hole up - the problem is hiding and surviving and doing damage to invaders is not the same thing, you will have groups doing both.

I doubt you'll see German sponsored folks going across border to Japanese controlled areas for "white liberation". No real gain for them to sponsor it, and whites in Japanese areas won't support it - to the Japanese all whites are "unequal" unlike the Germans. So all "non-aryan" whites may not like living under the Japanese but it is way better than what would happen under the Nazis.

Lastly, while you will certainly see Japanese moving to occupied American areas, and may see some Asians imported as laborers, the Japanese did not see other Asians as being any better than whites. Sort of like the Germans with aryans, if you weren't of the right group you were inferior. Also, there are plenty of "locals" in occupied areas so no need to import workers per se. Now in terms of Japanese coming in to run things, to get land they can't in Japan etc that's another issue.

Finally, within a generation you'll see all "educated" (HS graduates and above) have a working use of German or Japanese, and even those with less education pick up basics. Higher education will probably mandate both.

Just some thoughts
 
Well, with time the culture of Axis-occupied America will morph away from the (relatively) liberal views of 1940. Educational systems, especially in areas under Nazi occupation, will very quickly mold the majority of young people in to good new "aryans", or to adapt to subservient status. In Japanese areas, expect that certain elements of Japanese culture such as Emperor respect will be enforced, as well as second class status of whites. In all areas, it will be readily apparent that "going along" with the new regimes and their rules/ideas will not end well.

I agree that Axis-occupied America would almost certainly become more authoritarian overtime, but comparatively speaking I still expect it to be one of the relatively freer/liberal places in the world. For example, even though Japan has been a de jure liberal democracy for almost seventy years, with extensive Western cultural influence it still has far more of a collectivist culture and authoritarian elements compared to other parts of developed world. I definitely agree with what you said about education however.


As far as "resistance" goes, unlike OTL where those in occupied countries had a hope that the Allies still fighting would defeat the Axis, here there is no such hope. While you may have some military remnants resisting early on, longer term the only resistance groups will be those who have no hope. These would be Jews, especially in Nazi occupied areas but to some extent anywhere if they can't get a new identity, blacks pretty much everywhere, and folks whose families have been trashed or have similar hates for the occupiers. You can pretty much forget "communists", there weren't that many in the USA and those that exist will be done in quickly, and really no opportunity to train/recruit new ones. Before too terribly long any "resistance" groups will be limited to empty spaces on the maps (mountains, forests, deserts, etc). Again, with time their support system in the cities/towns will fade as reprisals kick in - and you know they will be vicious on both sides of the coin. The USA (and Canada) are big and have lots of places where folks like that can hole up - the problem is hiding and surviving and doing damage to invaders is not the same thing, you will have groups doing both.

I probably should have made this clearer but the resistance organizations I was envisioning would be relatively small networks and highly decentralized to boot-more akin to the Red Army Faction or the Weathermen then OTL's French Resistance. They probably wouldn't even engage in that much violent action at all except when absolutely necessary to avoid drawing attention (and harsh reprisal) to themselves-the ones that prefer to engage in ostentatious violent action will get rooted out.

I doubt you'll see German sponsored folks going across border to Japanese controlled areas for "white liberation". No real gain for them to sponsor it, and whites in Japanese areas won't support it - to the Japanese all whites are "unequal" unlike the Germans. So all "non-aryan" whites may not like living under the Japanese but it is way better than what would happen under the Nazis.

Well I'm envisioning a "Cold War" situation between the Germans and the Japanese, considering both the Japanese and the Germans would be fairly paranoid and jockey for power and influence. Considering that the majority of the white population of the American West Coast in the 1940s were not Slavs or Jews, it seems probable that at the very least Nazi propaganda would be convincing enough to show at least a few of them that they would be better off allied to Reich. Certainly the Nazis did not display any particular discrimination or hatred of Celtic or Latin peoples (beyond perhaps some snide mentions in racial biology textbooks).

Lastly, while you will certainly see Japanese moving to occupied American areas, and may see some Asians imported as laborers, the Japanese did not see other Asians as being any better than whites. Sort of like the Germans with aryans, if you weren't of the right group you were inferior. Also, there are plenty of "locals" in occupied areas so no need to import workers per se. Now in terms of Japanese coming in to run things, to get land they can't in Japan etc that's another issue.

While the Japanese certainly did see themselves as the most superior, they saw at least certain Asian peoples (such as the Manchurians, some Chinese especially in Formosa, and Koreans) as relatively "close" enough to be given positions such as commissions in the military. Especially since they will be more assimilated to Japanese rule then the locals, they would be seen as relatively more "reliable". Some of my ideas in this direction have been influenced both by C.M. Kornbluth's "Two Dooms" and actual importation of Chinese labour into Southeast Asian and South Pacific colonies of the Great Powers. The Japanese aiming to pick up some good real estate on the Pacific Coast is a very excellent point IMO.

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inally, within a generation you'll see all "educated" (HS graduates and above) have a working use of German or Japanese, and even those with less education pick up basics. Higher education will probably mandate both.

I definitely agree about this. I'm planning on at least some schools being fully billingual in instruction for Pacifica (especially those that are academically/university oriented).

Thanks for responding!
 
Some remarks upon theology: In OTL the creation of the State of Israel in 1948 provided a massive boost to dispensationalist eschatology. In TTL, this would obviously not be the case especially with official anti-Semitism probably not approving of such theological viewpoints. OTOH, an American fascist government would certainly see the value of certain forms of fundamentalist Protestantism as an aid to governance (certainly much more than say Germany). In the Japanese-occupied zone there probably will be even stronger interest in Eastern religions and philosophies than OTL America (although I highly everybody would be using I Ching) and there would almost certainly be far fewer Chinese and Koreans who are Christians.
 
Although the scenario is pretty much ASB, it's a very interesting thought exercise. Besides, plenty of others will chew you out with cries of "ASB", so I might as well consider it.

The facts are, Germany and Japan could not occupy every inch of the earth with the resources they had in the fourties and fifties, nor did they want to (i.e. Neither wanted America). So assuming the U.S and other countries in America somehow collapse (again, pretty much ASB), the Germans and Japs would be more than content to carve up puppet states that would be dependent on the Axis in some way. These puppets will vary from regime to regime, and most likely pursue their own racial policies to emulate their masters. This means Blacks and Jews in the US and god knows what in South America.

Europe is fucked- hard. I could see Germany treat Britain either similar to how they treated countries like Norway- to try and "Arianize" them. IIRC, Hitler respected the British Empire, although he'll probably want a bigger one for Germany. Southern Europe is going to be a strange sight- Italy and Spain are German allies, and will become increasingly dominated by these larger states. One must remember that Nazi racial policies were completely dependent on the politics of the time, so assuming the Italians and Spanish remain German allies there is no reason to assume antagonism between them.

Eastern Europe is a mess that I don't want to get into.

Asia, on the other hand, is similarly fucked. China's gonna be hit hard as the Japanese attempt to make this land theirs. The uneven population ratios could only make this worse, as the Japanese seek to "even it out".

This is depressing enough for one night. Personally, I think that even if by some miracle the Axis had won the war, it's still entirely possible the whole house of cards could come crashing down after the war.
 
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