Constitution of a Republic of Deseret?

So are there any experts of Mexican history here? I need help envisioning how a war between Deseret and Mexico (lead by of course, Santa Anna) would go.


Well, if the Saints try to march on Mexico City they'll get creamed - there's too few of them. OTOH, if Santy Anny tries to march to the Great Salt Lake, I can see it ending like Napoleon's Moscow campaign. After all SA couldn't even win in Texas, where his lines of communication were far shorter.
 

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Well, if the Saints try to march on Mexico City they'll get creamed - there's too few of them. OTOH, if Santy Anny tries to march to the Great Salt Lake, I can see it ending like Napoleon's Moscow campaign. After all SA couldn't even win in Texas, where his lines of communication were far shorter.

Yeah, that's essentially what I was thinking. The Saints can't lead an invasion of Mexico proper, even with allies, and Santa Anna will be nickle-and-dimed into destruction if he invades Northern Utah.

I'm thinking the battles will take place in OTL Arizona and New Mexico, mostly. Maybe a few battles in Baja California as well. In the north, though, and even in Southern Utah, Sant Anna will not be able to win, most likely.
 
So are there any experts of Mexican history here? I need help envisioning how a war between Deseret and Mexico (lead by of course, Santa Anna) would go.

A boxing match, with a moat running through the middle of the ring. If both sides are pragmatic, then what you would see would be raiding parties on isolated areas. Most deaths would be from the privation and hardship of trekking across hundreds of miles of desert and mountain. If one side isn't pragmatic, then the result will be an army perishing somewhere in what is now the Navajo Nation. It is hard to emphasize just how incommunicable the Wasatch front is with the settled Mexican areas, even the ones on the fringes like the New Mexican settlements and Tucson. Remember that around this time period, it took Mormon pioneers months just to hack a barely passable road to the Blandings/Monticello area in Southern Utah. That's still several hundred miles from the nearest Mexican outpost.

One caveat: if the Saints make a real claim for California and have a real presence there, fighting in California is a possibility.
 
Sorry, I'm not interested jumping through hoops to satisfy a well-poisoner and a bigot, especially one who offers an unsourced quote as a historical fact. And, uh, fyi, the internet wasn't around in 1844.

You seem to have had no problems leaping through hoops to present your version of history thus far. Insults like "bigot" are not welcome here and add nothing to the discussion. And, uh, fyi, writing had been invented by 1844.
 

Zioneer

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A boxing match, with a moat running through the middle of the ring. If both sides are pragmatic, then what you would see would be raiding parties on isolated areas. Most deaths would be from the privation and hardship of trekking across hundreds of miles of desert and mountain. If one side isn't pragmatic, then the result will be an army perishing somewhere in what is now the Navajo Nation. It is hard to emphasize just how incommunicable the Wasatch front is with the settled Mexican areas, even the ones on the fringes like the New Mexican settlements and Tucson. Remember that around this time period, it took Mormon pioneers months just to hack a barely passable road to the Blandings/Monticello area in Southern Utah. That's still several hundred miles from the nearest Mexican outpost.

One caveat: if the Saints make a real claim for California and have a real presence there, fighting in California is a possibility.

I'm looking at having the Saints go for at least a big chunk of Southern California (and Baja California), so yeah, most of the fighting will be there. And again, that's not including the Saint's allies (Texans and Californios, mostly).

Either way though, I'm not sure who will be more pragmatic, Brigham Young or Santa Anna. Brigham was supremely pragmatic when he needed to be, but was otherwise somewhat used to getting his own way. On the other hand, Santa Anna was very good at seizing power and taking advantage of chaos, but was not very pragmatic otherwise.
 
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