Consequences of Hitler doing house cleaning

Just picked up a copy of Hitler's Generals, and read that Wilhelm Keitel had asked Hitler on 3 different occasions to replace himself as chief of the combined armed forces with Erich Von Manstein, one of these times in particular seemed interesting and I'd be curious for the boards thoughts on the consequences

September 1942: Hitler is furious at the lack of progress with Operation Blue and has fired Bock and List... he is also having open feuds with Jodl and Halder over Africa and Stalingrad. Hitler drafted a memo to replace both men. Halder ended up getting replaced by Kurt Zeitzler and Jodl was supposed to be replaced with Paulus, with Von Seydlitz taking over the 6th army. Lets instead of Jodl hanging on, Paulus indeed does replace him, and Keitel's resignation is accepted and Manstein is pulled from the 11th army to become chief of combined operations. With this team in place, what the consequences at Stalingrad?; with Africa?; and are they able to fight to a stalemate where the other men failed?
 

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Interesting PoD but the problem still remains with Grofaz, can Paulus, a notorious order follower, and Manstein stand up to the carpet mucher? While it really can't go any worse then OTL, how long before Manstein resigns himself?
 
Interesting PoD but the problem still remains with Grofaz, can Paulus, a notorious order follower, and Manstein stand up to the carpet mucher? While it really can't go any worse then OTL, how long before Manstein resigns himself?

Guderian records that right after Stalingrad, when he was brought back to active service, that Hitler was capable of listening to people (at least then) and hearing reasoned arguments from both sides before making his decisions.

Manstein's feelings about Stalingrad where relayed to the OKH, with Zeitzler and Jodl acting as filters (even though Zeitzler was a friend of Manstein's)... in this scenario he would be on point in Hitler's conferences being able to present his views in tandem with Zeitzler and Paulus who had both served with him before and could likely be counted on to conform to his views

In terms of Manstein threatening resignation... its not impossible, he successfully did it dozens of times in otl... he actually had a standing copy in his safe at all times and just signed it when he got orders he didn't like a teletyped it back to the OKH
 

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Guderian records that right after Stalingrad, when he was brought back to active service, that Hitler was capable of listening to people (at least then) and hearing reasoned arguments from both sides before making his decisions.

Manstein's feelings about Stalingrad where relayed to the OKH, with Zeitzler and Jodl acting as filters (even though Zeitzler was a friend of Manstein's)... in this scenario he would be on point in Hitler's conferences being able to present his views in tandem with Zeitzler and Paulus who had both served with him before and could likely be counted on to conform to his views

In terms of Manstein threatening resignation... its not impossible, he successfully did it dozens of times in otl... he actually had a standing copy in his safe at all times and just signed it when he got orders he didn't like a teletyped it back to the OKH
I'm not saying it is a bad PoD, I'm just a bit sceptical to what it would actually accomplish.

My opinion is ironically that the Bohemian Corporal would be more willing to listen to the Hessian Paulus then the Prussian Manstein, but that Paulus would be much more willing to follow orders without much arguments.
 
Just picked up a copy of Hitler's Generals, and read that Wilhelm Keitel had asked Hitler on 3 different occasions to replace himself as chief of the combined armed forces with Erich Von Manstein, one of these times in particular seemed interesting and I'd be curious for the boards thoughts on the consequences

September 1942: Hitler is furious at the lack of progress with Operation Blue and has fired Bock and List... he is also having open feuds with Jodl and Halder over Africa and Stalingrad. Hitler drafted a memo to replace both men. Halder ended up getting replaced by Kurt Zeitzler and Jodl was supposed to be replaced with Paulus, with Von Seydlitz taking over the 6th army. Lets instead of Jodl hanging on, Paulus indeed does replace him, and Keitel's resignation is accepted and Manstein is pulled from the 11th army to become chief of combined operations. With this team in place, what the consequences at Stalingrad?; with Africa?; and are they able to fight to a stalemate where the other men failed?

Interesting chap, Seydlitz. I'd not heard of him before, but his name jumped out at me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_von_Seydlitz-Kurzbach

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