Consequences of a surviving Hauteville dynasty in Sicily ?

Just an idea: WI Bohemond, Duke of Apulia, the son of William II of Sicily and Joan of England had survived infancy and had become the successor of his father instead of the bastard Trancred I? It surely would avoid the Hohenstaufens gaining the Sicilian throne, but what could be the other consequences of a surviving Hauteville dynasty?
 
Just an idea: WI Bohemond, Duke of Apulia, the son of William II of Sicily and Joan of England had survived infancy and had become the successor of his father instead of the bastard Trancred I? It surely would avoid the Hohenstaufens gaining the Sicilian throne, but what could be the other consequences of a surviving Hauteville dynasty?

Depends on what Bohemond does as king, but it probably means the Hohenstaufens end with Philip (assuming Henry dies at the same time as OTL).
 
Depends on what Bohemond does as king, but it probably means the Hohenstaufens end with Philip (assuming Henry dies at the same time as OTL).

Why would they end with Philip? Henry VI and Constance of Sicily had a son IOTL. I see no reason for them not to have a heir ITTL. Of course, we could blame butterflies here, but considering that IOTL she managed to have a successful pregnancy while in the middle of a war and after being kept as a captive I would believe that not having to pass through this problems would increase her chances of being a mother.
 
Why would they end with Philip? Henry VI and Constance of Sicily had a son IOTL. I see no reason for them not to have a heir ITTL. Of course, we could blame butterflies here, but considering that IOTL she managed to have a successful pregnancy while in the middle of a war and after being kept as a captive I would believe that not having to pass through this problems would increase her chances of being a mother.

Because Frederick is underaged when Henry dies, so his chances require taking the throne as essentially an antiking.

And in these circumstances (without Sicily), I'm not sure the odds are very good.

So what I meant to say was that the dynasty's rule ends with Philip - the family probably keeps Swabia and stays around until something causes it to die out the same way any other dynasty dies out.

On the other hand, if he does do it, he doesn't have Sicily to distract him from the Empire. That could be a good thing.
 
Because Frederick is underaged when Henry dies, so his chances require taking the throne as essentially an antiking.

And in these circumstances (without Sicily), I'm not sure the odds are very good.

So what I meant to say was that the dynasty's rule ends with Philip - the family probably keeps Swabia and stays around until something causes it to die out the same way any other dynasty dies out.

On the other hand, if he does do it, he doesn't have Sicily to distract him from the Empire. That could be a good thing.

I doubt that, a surviving house of Hohenstaufen would remain one of the great houses, so they will get elected as HRE at various points. They could lose their de facto hereditary position though. The house of Hohenstaufen might not even die out, their great rivals the (younger) house of Welf managed to survive.
Furthermore Swabia will survive as a duchy, no great interregnum and emperors more focused on the HRE, this could benefit the cohesion of the empire.

This will also have an effect on the Habsburgs and the (Limburg-)Luxembourgs, it is very unlikely that they will be as successful as IOTL, but some emperor might (or might not) still reward them for their services.

It will also have interesting results for the kingdom of Sicily and on the Italian peninsula. I can see Sicily expand in similar way as Aragon IOTL; and Sicily might gain Sardinia & Corsica, but the main focus will probably be towards the Eastern Mediterranean.
 
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I doubt that, a surviving house of Hohenstaufen would remain one of the great houses, so they will get elected as HRE at various points. They could lose their de facto hereditary position though. The house of Hohenstaufen might not even die out, their great rivals the (younger) house of Welf managed to survive.
Furthermore Swabia will survive as a duchy, no great interregnum and emperors more focused on the HRE, this could benefit the cohesion of the empire.

This will also have an effect on the Habsburgs and the (Limburg-)Luxembourgs, it is very unlikely that they will be as successful as IOTL, but some emperor might (or might not) still reward them for their services.

It will also have interesting results for the kingdom of Sicily and on the Italian peninsula. I can see Sicily expand in similar way as Aragon IOTL; and Sicily might gain Sardinia & Corsica, but the main focus will probably be towards the Eastern Mediterranean.
I really find it very ironic that the marriage of James II's marriage with Mary of Modena of the family of D'Estes caused the Hanoverian D'Estes or Welf to rule Britain.

I really like the Hohenstauffens in their uniting of Italy which the Anjous could have done if Ladislaus married Valentina Visconti..
 
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