Consequences of a 1942 Barbarossa

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However, it should be noted that peace between britain and germany likely won't be permanent. As soon as it becomes clear that the Soviet Union isn't going to topple over like a house of cards Britain is going to smell weakness and get ready for round 2. The US will also almost certainly supply some degree of lend lease to the Soviet Union.
 

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However, it should be noted that peace between britain and germany likely won't be permanent. As soon as it becomes clear that the Soviet Union isn't going to topple over like a house of cards Britain is going to smell weakness and get ready for round 2. The US will also almost certainly supply some degree of lend lease to the Soviet Union.

With what money? Britain in this scenario would be damaged and broke from all the war spending. They first need to spend on rebuilding their damaged cities and then focus on getting their public re-interested in what was IOTL an unpopular war, which I imagine would be less popular if the British government tried to restart it.
 
With what money?
American money, of course. OTL US produced half of world's GDP in 1940, money wouldn't be problem. Roosevelt would do everything to prevent Nazis from dominate Europe (so there will be LL for U.S.S.R anyway), he just need some excuse to openly join the war, which is question of time.
 

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American money, of course. OTL US produced half of world's GDP in 1940, money wouldn't be problem. Roosevelt would do everything to prevent Nazis from dominate Europe (so there will be LL for U.S.S.R anyway), he just need some excuse to openly join the war, which is question of time.

Congress needs to approve that measure, which why would it if Britain has been defeated recently and there are fears that it would turn over any aid to Germany or that Germany would seize it? IOTL that was a reason the US didn't provide aid to the Soviets until October.
 

sharlin

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Also another issue.

Running into a Stalin and Molotov line that would have had a lot of work done on them making them more formidable defensive obstacles to overcome.
 
American money, of course. OTL US produced half of world's GDP in 1940, money wouldn't be problem. Roosevelt would do everything to prevent Nazis from dominate Europe (so there will be LL for U.S.S.R anyway), he just need some excuse to openly join the war, which is question of time.

He barely got it passed OTL and that was mainly due to Congress wanting to support the UK and it wasn't given to the Soviet's until around November of 1941 which I believe is a large part of why Hitler decided to declare war a few days after Pearl Habor. If it was just LL to the British he wouldn't have in my view.
 
Hypothetically speaking let's say that Barbarossa is delayed until 1942 so that Germany could focus on Britain, which leaves their invasion delayed until May 1942. Let's say that Britain is forced out of the war in 1941 and Germany doesn't declare war on the US in December.

What would the consequences of this be for both Germany and the USSR? The Soviets would be better prepared, but so would the Germans. Britain would be out of the war, but the Soviets now know they are coming and though they aren't ready to take the offensive against Germany, they have a strong series of defensive positions and an extra year to recover from the purges and rapid expansion of the military. The T34 is now available in numbers, as are the latest in Soviet aircraft, but production quality is still poor. The Soviets have evacuated some of their industry behind the Urals and are still getting it up to speed, but much of what was evacuated IOTL is not, because Stalin isn't worried about a German invasion in 1941 and the displacements caused by Barbarossa IOTL don't happen.
Germany doesn't have to worry about a blockade and the US is focused on the Pacific theater, so restrictions on trade with Germany are not in force.

What happens?

germans still win the initial battles due to their superior command quality/unit experience/air superiority

they do not get nearly as far due to the soviets being better prepared and having somewhat better quality in their weapons
 

sharlin

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And have trained to get more familiar with that gear as well as having two complete or near complete defensive lines to fall back upon.
 
Germans will still do better than many here think, though ultimately they still lose.

-USSR will have:
*SVT-40 semi-auto rifles in *much* greater numbers
*T-34s and T-34Ms in *much* greater numbers
*Better aircraft
*More supplies
*More defenses

*No change in leadership from Winter War and possibly another political purge of the officer corps
*Poor tactics
*Lots of Ukrainians and other folks who would welcome a change from Stalin

-Germans will have:
*Fw 190s
*More veterans
*Panzer IVs
*Early Tiger Is (on the drawing board when Barbarossa happened OTL)
*More veteran troops
*Better command, control, morale, and organization

*Fanatical racism
*Very little local support when the people learn that Stalin's USSR is a liberal pacifist democracy in comparison to the Reich
*Less endurance once the Soviet war machine and its American quartermaster get established
 
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