Confederate versions of Uncle Sam and Columbia

Much like John Bull was used to represent the negative policies of Britain.

As another Brit I have to say that I had always been under the impression that John Bull was a favourable symbolisation. I've never seen it used negatively outside of some Nazi WWII stuff and even then he's a ignorant puppet for the "ev0l Jewzzzz".
 
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Not offhand, but I definitely remember them from various books about British history that I've read.

I see that you're American, so maybe the only places you've seen him used in the past might have been in American-written/created works and those tend to use him only [or "mostly", anyway] as a negative symbol? I'm actually British, and am fairly sure that the cases in which I've een him used in a more positive context were ["mostly"?] by British artists/writers...

I would have posted links like the others but I figured it seemed too ridiculous to respond to. Anyways, I heard suggestions by some that Columbia and Brittanica were separated from Uncle Sam and John Bull as one representing the government and the other the people. Perhaps it would be the same here?
 
I would have posted links like the others but I figured it seemed too ridiculous to respond to. Anyways, I heard suggestions by some that Columbia and Brittanica were separated from Uncle Sam and John Bull as one representing the government and the other the people. Perhaps it would be the same here?
I'm curious and confused which ones are you saying represent the govt. and which the people? Like the females represent the people and the males of govt?

Also I mainly took in mind cartoons like the one below when I posted my comment on John Bull being used as an unfavorable character. Also I always thought that Bull's appearance as a short and obese man was meant to symbolize foreign views of Britain as being filled with greed and low moral character.

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Also I always thought that Bull's appearance as a short and obese man was meant to symbolize foreign views of Britain as being filled with greed and low moral character.

Nope as I understand it his fatness was a sign of British prosperity. i.e. Unlike you starving Frenchies, Paddies etc. John Bull actually gets enough to eat thanks to our productive economy and effective political system. Marianne (France) is often shown as starving in British cartoons during the 18th century.
 
I believe John Bull was used in British Propaganda during the Napoleonic Wars.
Though not all positive. Still, many symbols went through their own evolution and during the war beef was seen as highly British and they liked to see themselves as more well fed than the Jacobin French.
 
I'm curious and confused which ones are you saying represent the govt. and which the people? Like the females represent the people and the males of govt?

Also I mainly took in mind cartoons like the one below when I posted my comment on John Bull being used as an unfavorable character. Also I always thought that Bull's appearance as a short and obese man was meant to symbolize foreign views of Britain as being filled with greed and low moral character.

I think the picture of John bull looking fat was intend to show his wealth at the time.
Only wealth people could afford to be fat in those days.
He would have been seen as prosperous.
 
John Bull is rarely depicted as a lardo. Usually he's merely stocky, which suggests such typically British virtues as solidity, robustness, maturity, prudence, and equanimity.
 
I've seen many more, too, where Bull is shown as a morbidly obese slob getting punched in the face by Uncle Sam, Marianne, Bonaparte, Germany, etc.
Thanks for those. As I've tried to say before I think I'll use the character King Cotton to represent the negative side of the CSA much like Bull was in those cartoons.

And while the character Johnny Reb may be understandably used to represent the CSA I don't think he should be used to represent the CSA as a whole post war. After that I think he will be better off as a representation of the men in the CS armed forces much like the character Billy Yank Will still be for the US and the character Johnny Canuck has been for the Canadians of OTL.
 
Thanks for those. As I've tried to say before I think I'll use the character King Cotton to represent the negative side of the CSA much like Bull was in those cartoons.

And while the character Johnny Reb may be understandably used to represent the CSA I don't think he should be used to represent the CSA as a whole post war. After that I think he will be better off as a representation of the men in the CS armed forces much like the character Billy Yank Will still be for the US and the character Johnny Canuck has been for the Canadians of OTL.

Good idea!

And excellent point, Johnny Reb would be better suited for the military.

You do realise that that cartoon is a British cartoon done from a pro-British perspective. Nelson is feeding him the French navy.

Oh, I thought it was American (1812). :p Still, I have seen a lot of anti-Bull propaganda.
 
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