Confederate Breakup?

May be more consciusness.
The blacks may become more and more aware of their status of slaves and try to shakle the chains
 
May be more consciusness.
The blacks may become more and more aware of their status of slaves and try to shakle the chains

They were already well aware of the fact that they were slaves. The problem is they also know that if they fail (more likely) then shackles and chains are replaced with nooses and boiling tar.
 
They were already well aware of the fact that they were slaves. The problem is they also know that if they fail (more likely) then shackles and chains are replaced with nooses and boiling tar.

It might be farfetched, but remember that blacks - slaves - formed the MAJORITY of the population in several Deep South states.

I couldn't see it happening without an external spark, but perhaps an internal secessionist conflict becomes another Confederate-Union war, in which the Union not only helps Texas secure independents, but perhaps seizes control of Arkansas and Tennessee and sponsors slave revolts, resulting in independent LA, AL, and MS as black client states of the U.S.
 

Teleology

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Slave revolts were very rare in the old South and were never close to being that successful. So why would now be any different?

Mississippi had the largest percentage of slaves to whites, if I recall, had mixed-blood landowners among the planters, and was adjacent to Louisiana and it's New Orleans scene.

If a slave revolution was going to b successful anywhere in the US, it would be there, wouldn't it?

Also consider a Civil War aftermath without emancipation. Think of how many young white men died in the war, whereas African-Americans weren't allowed to fight. This leaves you with a higher consciousness among the slaves (due to so many of their masters' children dying, of increased paranoia among the planters due to freed blacks from areas that were occupied by the Union at one point or another, etc.) and with a high consciousness among the African-Americans in the North.

So combine a weakened establishment with increased repression and higher consciousness in the oppressed, add in black revolutionary volunteers coming down from the North, and put it in the place with the highest slave to white ratio and you have a chance of the perfect storm.

If the revolt is successful enough to for a moment become a revolution, than leaders might emerge that are palatable enough to be able to appeal to the most hard-edged abolitionist groups and anti-Confederate meddlers for funding and arms. This is where creole intellectuals and slightly-mixed landowners (as where IIRC a substantial minority group among the planters in Mississippi) come in, as public faces to put spin control on the revolution.

Of course for all of this you would need a trigger. Some foreign agitator, a White or Hispanic anarchist or socialist maybe... the initial voice of the revolution, not it's eventual face.
 
Mississippi had the largest percentage of slaves to whites, if I recall, had mixed-blood landowners among the planters, and was adjacent to Louisiana and it's New Orleans scene.
In that region however, in overall population, slaves were outnumbered by three to one. The whites could easily call in for reinforcement from elsewhere. You may want to consider that.
If a slave revolution was going to be successful anywhere in the US, it would be there, wouldn't it?
I guess, but the last I recall the confederates had an army. Not a rag-tag group of guys who never even picked up a gun before but a real army with equipment, military training, supplies, strategy, and stuff you would need for an army.
Also consider a Civil War aftermath without emancipation. Think of how many young white men died in the war, whereas African-Americans weren't allowed to fight. This leaves you with a higher consciousness among the slaves (due to so many of their masters' children dying, of increased paranoia among the planters due to freed blacks from areas that were occupied by the Union at one point or another, etc.) and with a high consciousness among the African-Americans in the North.
In OTL the Confederate Casualties amounted to 258,000 killed 125,000 wounded and 417,000 unharmed. Those casualties will have to be nine times greater before the white population will only be twice as big as the slave population. The Confederates would have surrendered or lost long before it would ever reach that point.
So combine a weakened establishment with increased repression and higher consciousness in the oppressed, add in black revolutionary volunteers coming down from the North, and put it in the place with the highest slave to white ratio and you have a chance of the perfect storm.
Except the establishment is only get stronger, there is no evidence to suggest that the whites would increase repression instead of just continuing the status quo, blacks would be going away from the CSA not to it, in a place where the enemy outnumbers you three to one and is ready to put down any hint of a rebellion at the drop of a hat. The result is a suicide mission that would only make things worse for the slaves.
If the revolt is successful enough to for a moment become a revolution, than leaders might emerge that are palatable enough to be able to appeal to the most hard-edged abolitionist groups and anti-Confederate meddlers for funding and arms. This is where creole intellectuals and slightly-mixed landowners (as where IIRC a substantial minority group among the planters in Mississippi) come in, as public faces to put spin control on the revolution.
Unless the Confederates gain Draka like stupidity or alien space bats decide to intervene, then a local rebellion is never going to be that successful in the first place. And even then creoles aren’t going to be much help as most of them would want to keep their slaves as well.
Of course for all of this you would need a trigger. Some foreign agitator, a White or Hispanic anarchist or socialist maybe... the initial voice of the revolution, not it's eventual face.
Like John Brown’s raid? Because that was such a success. :rolleyes:
 
It might be farfetched, but remember that blacks - slaves - formed the MAJORITY of the population in several Deep South states.

And yet they were the MINORITY in several other states and in didn't even make up half of the total population in the CSA. Unless all those other whites are off fighting some war against the Union (unlikely) or stayed at home to masturbate I kind of see it as a little bit more then farfetched. Just a pinch.

I couldn't see it happening without an external spark, but perhaps an internal secessionist conflict becomes another Confederate-Union war, in which the Union not only helps Texas secure independents, but perhaps seizes control of Arkansas and Tennessee and sponsors slave revolts, resulting in independent LA, AL, and MS as black client states of the U.S.

Seeing as the Confederates would try to avoid another war with the Union as it would be clear that they only won the last time by sheer luck (but of course that would be the smart thing to do). And as Texas wouldn't go independent as there's no reason for it to. I have a very difficult time seeing this happening to begin with.
 

Cook

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Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the Governor of Georgia threaten to secede from the Confederacy during the Civil War?
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the Governor of Georgia threaten to secede from the Confederacy during the Civil War?

Not really. Joseph Brown just disagreed with Davis over his centralization policies. Nothing to start a war over.
 
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