Confederacy Survives - Sports What If

I see you know your history well, there is an old legend out here that implies that one of Phoenix's planned names was Stonewall, because it's founder Jack Swilling was a Confederate Ranger during the war. :cool:

CASCAR (Confederate Association of Stock Car Auto Racing):
Richmond International Speedway
Atlanta Raceway
Jacksonville Superspeedway*
Everglades Circuit Speedway
Dallas-Fort Worth Raceway
Darlington "The Rock" Speedway
Talledega Superspeedway
New Orleans Speedway
Nashville "Music City" Raceway Park
Charlotte Motor Raceway
Lexington Bluegrass Speedway (Kentucky)
Sequoyah Trans-Tribal Raceway (Confederate Oklahoma, the track is outside of Muskogee, Sequoyah/Oklahoma and is owned in fair shares by different elements of the 5 Civilized Tribes)

*TTL's Daytona International Raceway

This gives Texas, North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Virginia, Kentucky, Louisiana and Sequoyah major racetracks, Arkansas and Mississippi only have minor 1/8-1/2 mile ovals for local or low ring series races but those two states themselves have produced several CASCAR champions.
CASCAR exists in Canada. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASCAR
 
Or the area/territory/eventual state (possibly) could be called "Oklahoma" and it's capital (whether a new city or an old one renamed) could have been called "Sequoyah".

That is also a possibility. And could very well happen. However, do you think Texas would want the panhandle? And so, would it get it?
 
Canadian Football League: (based off McGill rules)

-Montreal Allouettes
-Ottawa Rough Riders
-Toronto Argonauts
-Hamilton Tigers
-Winnipeg Blue Bombers
-Edmonton Oilers
-Calgary Stampede
-British Columbia Lions
-Saskatchewan Roughriders
-Halifax Gunners

Columbia Football League: (based off Harvard rules)

-New England Patriots
-Green Bay Meat Packers
-Chicago Bears
-New York Giants
-St. Louis Cardinals
-Detroit Racers
-San Francisco Gold Miners
-Philadelphia Eagles
-Seattle Killer Whales
-Pittsburgh Steelers

Confederate Football League: (based off University of Virginia rules)

-Richmond Rockets
-New Orleans Saints
-San Antonio Cowboys
-Charlotte Planters
-St. Lucie Redskins
-Atlanta Highlanders
-St. Petersburg Pirates
-Nashville Raiders
-Galveston Oilers
-Memphis Steamers

The top team in each league will play off for the Grey Cup:
-An initial Round-Robin format. Each team will get a turn to host, and the game will be played to the home team's rules.
-The top two teams in Round Robin will play for the Grey Cup to the rules of the round robin loser. Venue is pre-determined three years beforehand.
 
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Great list PoorBoy. If you want to make it Collaborative with my NTL list, maybe change Atlanta and Miami as they aren't developed as such in a Confederacy-win scenario.

Alternatively, Atlanta could still develop from the railroads though.

But Miami wouldn't develop much until the later half of the 20th Century maybe.

And maybe have the Sequoyah Red Skins replace the Miami Redskins, with a team in Jacksonville replacing a team in Miami?

Alternatively we could Port St. Lucie being the area that develops in a Confederacy wins TL instead of Miami. St. Lucie team?
 
A little something I came up with for a Confederate Baseball(or Townsball) league. The NTL, National Townsball League.

NTL:

  • Charleston Rebels
  • Richmond Confederates
    [*]Georgia Nobles(Milledgeville)*
  • Louisville Sluggers
  • Sequoyah Braves
  • Houston Cowboys
  • Dallas Texans
  • Florida Rustlers(Jacksonville)**
  • Tampa Bay Rays
    [*]Nashville Sounds
  • Montgomery Aces
    [*]New Orleans VooDoo's
  • Jackson Generals
  • Stonewall Daimondbacks***

*: Located in Milledgeville who continued to grow instead of decline without its sacking in the Civil War, and without Atlanta becoming the capital.
**:Located in Jacksonville
***: An ATL city in the state of Arizona(which encompasses OTL southern New Mexico and Arizona)

That's 14 Baseball teams, with every state but Arkansas having one.

How did you come up with those names?

Also why not Dallas Rangers?

And how about New Orleans Cajuns? Or the Pelicans? Especially given how much the Pelican would be associated with Lousiana....or given the lone star on the February 1861 flag of Lousiana you could call them the New Orleans Astros...
 
Great list PoorBoy. If you want to make it Collaborative with my NTL list, maybe change Atlanta and Miami as they aren't developed as such in a Confederacy-win scenario.

Alternatively, Atlanta could still develop from the railroads though.

But Miami wouldn't develop much until the later half of the 20th Century maybe.

And maybe have the Sequoyah Red Skins replace the Miami Redskins, with a team in Jacksonville replacing a team in Miami?

Alternatively we could Port St. Lucie being the area that develops in a Confederacy wins TL instead of Miami. St. Lucie team?

Sure, why not? I kinda forgot that Miami was not big until Castro came along.
 
That is also a possibility. And could very well happen. However, do you think Texas would want the panhandle? And so, would it get it?

I don't think Texas ever claimed the Panhandle after ceding it in 1850 (they claimed Greer county though). It would probably remain US territory and as a federally governed area unassigned to any territory or state I imagine it would find use later by the US government if it wasn't partitioned or handed over to neighbouring states/territories before.
 
I don't think Texas ever claimed the Panhandle after ceding it in 1850 (they claimed Greer county though). It would probably remain US territory and as a federally governed area unassigned to any territory or state I imagine it would find use later by the US government if it wasn't partitioned or handed over to neighbouring states/territories before.

As in the Panhandle remains US Territory? Perhaps.
 
As in the Panhandle remains US Territory? Perhaps.

Well where else would it go? It wasn't claimed by Texas, it wasn't a part of the Indian territory and it didn't secede from the US.

Just so we are clear, you are talking about what is now the Oklahoma Panhandle right?
 
Well where else would it go? It wasn't claimed by Texas, it wasn't a part of the Indian territory and it didn't secede from the US.

Just so we are clear, you are talking about what is now the Oklahoma Panhandle right?

Correct, in that case might we see it divided at the line between Kansas and Colorado?
 
I'm surprised that nobody thought of a popular winter team sport in this ATL.
Considering that few parts of the USA would be located in the sun belt in this TL, hockey or bandy would probably be the 2nd biggest sport in the country.

I'm going with hockey, since hockey is more physical. Bandy replaces ringette as a sport played by mainly women in MTL.

The UHL includes 32 teams in the countries of Utah, the USA, Alaska and Canada.

The teams in the UHL are the following.

Lincoln Conference

Perrault City Vouyegeurs (OTL, Minnesota Wild.)

In this ATL, Saint Paul absorbs Minneapolis and Saint Anthony and extends over to the present day suburbs and satellite cities of Richfield, Mendota, Maplewood, Roseville, Falcon Heights and Bloomington. It becomes the largest city in the region by population, larger than Chicago. Pig's Eye Landing, now becoming a major economic hub, realizes that if it wanted to become a major economic player in the region and the world, needs to change its name. They change their name from Pig's Eye Landing to Perrault City, in honor of its' founder Pierre "Pig's Eye" Perrault.

Green Bay Admirals.

In this ATL, Green Bay replaces Milwaukee as Wisconsin's largest city, due to the territory around what would be Milwaukee becoming a part of Illinois. Milwaukee becomes an irrelevant satellite city and not the major city it is today. Green Bay has a metro population of 1.7 million and has teams in the United Hockey Association, United Lacrosse League and the United Townball Association.

Duluth Superiors

Duluth and Superior become two major port cities. Duluth has a population of 300K and Superior 230K. The economic crisis that crushed those two promising cities in OTL doesn't affect these two cities in this ATL and they continue to prosper.

Iowa Barnstormers

ATL, Des Moines becomes a major city, 1.8 in its metro.

Lewiston Trailblazers

(OTL Portland, Oregon)

Saskatoon Stags

Winnipeg Falcons

(OTL, First Winnipeg Jets)

Calgary Bulls

(OTL, Calgary Flames)

Edmonton Oilers

Vancouver Commodores (OTL Vancouver Millionaires)

Puget Sounds (OTL Seattle Metropolitans.)

ATL, the Seattle, Tacoma, and Olympia areas merge themselves and their suburbs into the large city of "Puget" and becomes the 6th largest city on the Pacific Rim after Tokyo, Angel City, Guangzhou, Saint Francis and Sidney.

Anchorage Grizzlies

Denver Oreamnides

(OTL, Colorado NHL Rockies)

Saint Francis Sharks

(OTL, San Jose Sharks located in San Francisco)

Angel City Cherubs

(OTL, Los Angeles Kings)
Utah Stingers

Byng Conference

Yorkville Maple Leafs

(OTL, Toronto Maple Leafs)

Detroit Cougars

(OTL Detroit Red Wings)

Chicago Indians

(OTL Chicago Blackhawks)

Montreal Maroons

(ATL, the Canadiens fold and the Maroons become the dominant team in Montreal)

Quebec City Nordiques

Huron City Lakers

(OTL, Ottawa Senators)

New York Americans

(OTL, NYR)

Boston Bruins

Buffalo Bison

(OTL Buffalo Sabres)

Brooklyn Islanders

ATL, Long Island becomes its own state. The capitol of the state is Nassau, and its largest city is Brooklyn.

Washington Capitals

Pittsburgh Mountineers

(OTL Pittsburgh Penguins)

Philadelphia Brothers

(OTL Philadelphia Flyers)

Akron Tredders

ATL, Akron overtakes Cleveland as the largest city in Northern Ohio after a freak EF5 tornado takes out the entire city, making Cleveland a satellite city to Akron akin to Galveston and Houston.

Toledo Tornados

ATL, Toledo has a population of 400K and a metro of 2.0M.

New Jersey Devils


In the 1980s, hockey attracts the attention of the entire world. The Soviet Union and their team consisting of alexander Mogilny and Sergei Federov faces off against team USA in the 1988 Winter Olympics and their superstar team consisting of Dave Winfield, Vincent Edward "Eddie" Jackson, Herschel Walker, Neil Broten, Mike Madono, John LeClair and Brett Hull. The game becomes the 5th most watched sporting event in the world and sparks a hockey craze in Japan, the CSA, China and Korea.


The UHL wants to expand to a 40 league team by including such CSA and Republic of Texas cities such as Fort Dallas, New Orleans and Tampa, but many of the league's black African players have vowed not to play any games in or for teams in the CSA until interracial marriages are decriminalized and affirmative action laws are set in place.

Dave Winfield, one of the biggest superstars in the game tells the UHL that he will become a full time townball player if the UHL expands into the CSA. He is joined by current Saskatoon coach Jim Brown and his linemates in Perrault City Vincent Edward "Eddie" Jackson, and Herschel Walker. Walker and Jackson's boycott is more poignant and notable than Winfield's. Both of their families defected to the USA from the CSA when they were children, where they took up the sport of hockey.

This then encourages other black athletes, such as the USA's Arthur Ashe, Canada's Ben Johnson and the UK's Linford Christie to boycott the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, GA, CSA. This becomes the beginning of the end to institutionalized racism in the CSA when the Olympics draw record low television ratings. Atlanta and Georgia operate the Olympics at a loss and are greatly in debt. The UOC then decides to tell the CSA that if they want to hold another IOC sanctioned event again, that they should change their policies on race. FIFA, FINA (Netball's governing body), IGBG(International Governing Body of Gridiron) and the IIHF all boycott the CSA. This leads to the CSA relaxing their racial policies.
 
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