Concerning South's entry into the American Union

So let's suppose the Confederacy wins the American Civil War. Would it be inevitable that the North would eventually force the Confederacy back into the Union? :confused:
 

TFSmith121

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How does the South "win" the war?

So let's suppose the Confederacy wins the American Civil War. Would it be inevitable that the North would eventually force the Confederacy back into the Union? :confused:

How does the South "win" the war?

What does the "win" entail?

When does the "win" occur?

What does the "winning" confederacy include?

You need some sort of foundation before any reasonable response can be offered.

Best,
 
How does the South "win" the war?

What does the "win" entail?

When does the "win" occur?

What does the "winning" confederacy include?

You need some sort of foundation before any reasonable response can be offered.

Best,

Pretty much what he said.

Although, to be fair, the OP was asking something on the order of 'in all universes where the CSA succeeds, in what percentage does the Union force the CSA back into the fold?'
Which would be a reasonable question - if there were any kind of clue what PoDs would give rise to a CSA, etc.

Me, I suspect that the Union doesn't 'force' the CSA back into the fold, but that the CSA becomes a failed state, several states leave the Confederacy, and that several of THOSE rejoin the US.

Whether the Union tries to conquer the 'rump' CSA left after that (SC, GA and AL, maybe) is entirely open to question.

So... It boils down to what TFSmith says, actually, although in a more general sense. What range of PoDs let the CSA 'win', how likely are each, how would the world evolve in each, etc. Since that whole project would be worth multiple doctoral theses in Sociology and/or History, and no one would be convinced of the results, it end up not being a very useful question. IMO.
 
I don't think the North would have to force the CSA back into the Union. There are ties of culture and trade. Both the USA and CSA would both enter Workd War I toghether. The both would be victims of German submarine attacks and Zimmerman would offer Texas to Mexico. German sub attacks would push the CSA into another alliance during World War II. Then during there is the Cold War alliance.
 
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Me, I suspect that the Union doesn't 'force' the CSA back into the fold, but that the CSA becomes a failed state, several states leave the Confederacy, and that several of THOSE rejoin the US.

Whether the Union tries to conquer the 'rump' CSA left after that (SC, GA and AL, maybe) is entirely open to question.

I agree with the notion of the CSA breaking apart without a shot though I would see MS and FL as part of the rump CSA.

PS this thread really should be in the Before 1900 Forum.
 
I don't think the North would have to force the CSA back into the Union. There are ties of culture and trade. Both the USA and CSA would both enter Workd War I toghether. The both would be victims of German submarine attacks and Zimmerman would offer Texas to Mexico. German sub attacks would push the CSA into another alliance during World War II. Then during there is the Cold War alliance.

How do you get a WWI that is in any way recognizable to ours with a major POD in the 1860.'s???
 

Japhy

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How do you get a WWI that is in any way recognizable to ours with a major POD in the 1860.'s???

Pretty much this, at the end of the day Paul, a Confederate Victory means that Napoleon III while still not assured victory in Mexico will be able to build his Franco-Austrian alliance out of the Mexican Adventure, it wont fall apart when the US threatens force against an Austrian Intervention.

This in turn dictates things like the Austro- and Franco-Prussian Wars which might not even happen, and of course a Franco-Austrian Alliance plays a big role in how Germany unifies and how the Alliance Structure develops.
 
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