Comprehensive List of CSA Potential Allies?

[Snake Featherston]

The CSA will have relatively few allies for two reasons: 1) Like the USSR it's deliberately rigging itself to try to defy the course of economic trends in its own time. 2) Unlike the USSR it has no means to use its own resources short of directly imploding its own basis for existence, and it will never have an army able to menace Mexico, much less say, the USA, nor will it have the Navy to engage in the US sport of beating up poor Caribbean islands.

 

[Orko]

Wait... what about Japan after the Meiji restoration? I mean, it's kind of late for it, but both Japan and the US have interests in the Pacific. Could they both team up against the USA?

 

[Wolfpaw]

Wait... what about Japan after the Meiji restoration? I mean, it's kind of late for it, but both Japan and the US have interests in the Pacific. Could they both team up against the USA?

What? No. The Confederacy has absolutely no pull in Asia. And why would Japan want to go against the USA when the latter was one of the leading supporters of the Meiji regime

Hell, if anything, the Southerners are going to be supporting the samurai, who they will probably feel a twisted affinity towards (feudalistic, chivalrous, militaristic, aristocratic, anti-industrial, etc). I could see the South recognizing the Ezo Republic, not that it would change anything.

 

[SPJ]

Nor are Germans going to be particularly happy about the massacre of German Unionists carried out by CS forces in Texas, which you can bet Germans in the USA are going to talk about.

I wonder what Heros von Borcke thought about that? Oh well I thought that an allience between the CSA, France, and Prussia would be cool since some think that the Prussians would align with France if their goals in Mexico succeded which could be possible with an independent CSA and Heros could then act as a diplomat. But if others have reason to think thats ASB I'll accept it.

 

[NothingNow]

The CSA will have relatively few allies for two reasons: 1) Like the USSR it's deliberately rigging itself to try to defy the course of economic trends in its own time. 2) Unlike the USSR it has no means to use its own resources short of directly imploding its own basis for existence, and it will never have an army able to menace Mexico, much less say, the USA, nor will it have the Navy to engage in the US sport of beating up poor Caribbean islands.

Fuck, it's not going to have a good enough navy to protect it's own coast, let along project power outside the Gulf of Mexico (and even if they could, it'd be limited to what the Mexicans and US allow.)

Hell, the CSA had piss-poor ship building capability and worse domestic iron and steel production, so they're more or less limited to importing foreign built warships, and thus orced to rely on Ironclad conversions, Commerce Raiders, privateers, and what sloops they can knock together in what they call a shipyard to do anything, which would all be easy prey for Oceangoing Ironclads or Frigates.

 

[Montanian]

What about the Spanish Empire? Know just about nothing about them in this period but they do have a 2 ocean Navy, wood sailing ships are still current technology for much of the war along with a sizable merchant fleet. At this point they'd still have Cuba, Puerto Rico, Spanish Guiana, Spanish Morocco, Guam, The Phillipines, etc. which is quite a range of bases. At the least it would be very disruptive for the Union's blockade.

Prince Maximilian is a Hapsburg royal from Austro-Hungary which is bigger than Germany at this point and likely would have backed their boy's play in Mexico with Napoleon III's support. The Austro-Hungarian Army for quality would be at or above Union troops and along with French troops could have at least provided quite a bit more field artillery and regular infantry cadre, maybe.

 

[Reggie Bartlett]

What about the Spanish Empire? Know just about nothing about them in this period but they do have a 2 ocean Navy, wood sailing ships are still current technology for much of the war along with a sizable merchant fleet. At this point they'd still have Cuba, Puerto Rico, Spanish Guiana, Spanish Morocco, Guam, The Phillipines, etc. which is quite a range of bases. At the least it would be very disruptive for the Union's blockade.

Prince Maximilian is a Hapsburg royal from Austro-Hungary which is bigger than Germany at this point and likely would have backed their boy's play in Mexico with Napoleon III's support. The Austro-Hungarian Army for quality would be at or above Union troops and along with French troops could have at least provided quite a bit more field artillery and regular infantry cadre, maybe.

Interesting point, while Maxi was a French puppet, he was also a bit of a fan of the CSA, anticipating their victory. Should the CSA win early, what is preventing other Hapsburgs and the Austro-Hungarian Empire from jumping in? Who's side do they take?

 

[Saladan]

I'm not sure if this is true but I've heard things about how the CS leadership after the civil war hoped to expand into mexico, central America, and the Caribbean

 

[Johnrankins]

What about the Spanish Empire? Know just about nothing about them in this period but they do have a 2 ocean Navy, wood sailing ships are still current technology for much of the war along with a sizable merchant fleet. At this point they'd still have Cuba, Puerto Rico, Spanish Guiana, Spanish Morocco, Guam, The Phillipines, etc. which is quite a range of bases. At the least it would be very disruptive for the Union's blockade.

Prince Maximilian is a Hapsburg royal from Austro-Hungary which is bigger than Germany at this point and likely would have backed their boy's play in Mexico with Napoleon III's support. The Austro-Hungarian Army for quality would be at or above Union troops and along with French troops could have at least provided quite a bit more field artillery and regular infantry cadre, maybe.

The big question is WHY? Fighting a war with the US would be very expensive and what does the Spanish Empire hope to gain out of it?

 

[sloreck]

UK, France, maybe Belgium, possibly Brazil. Canada follows UK lead. Russia will go with USA (as they did OTL) as counterweight to UK, and Prussia (later united Germany) as well pro-US. Confederate filibustering has pissed off Central & South America already. CSA has zero interests in Asia, and no Pacific access.

Even those countries that are diplomatically "allied" with CSA will find them distasteful, and support will be limited.

 

[Serenissima]

There's not even much chance of British support of the Confederacy due to the slavery issue - Britain having taken the lead in banning the slave trade unilaterally and making diplomatic efforts to abolish slavery worldwide. Being happy to make money from them by selling them things isn't the same as actually supporting their side in the war, especially as they sold just as much to the Union.

Popular opinion in the UK would never have supported supporting the Confederacy, regardless of 'balance of power' issues.

 

[Doctor Imperialism]

The big question is WHY? Fighting a war with the US would be very expensive and what does the Spanish Empire hope to gain out of it?

Hm. I could see Spain being interested in containing the US, but they would have to be sure the CSA had at least a decent chance of winning.

 

[Lord High Executioner]

They piss off everyone in their immediate area by trying to throw their weight around the Carribbean and Latin America.

Isn't "everyone in the Caribbean" at the time Britain, France, Spain, the
Netherlands and Haiti?

 

[redcoatT]

Canada would likely ally with the CSA, seeing as it was in the interests of the British Empire to keep America weak and contained as much as possible.

It was the British government which controlled the foreign policy of its colony of Canada at this time.
Canada would only become an ally of either the CSA or the Union as part of a 'package deal' of an alliance with the UK,

 

[robertp6165]

What about Mexico? I hear and read so much about how on the one hand they romanticized Mexico and on the other hand they would just as soon spit on it as trade with it.

You might be interested in this.

 

[Esopo]

The CSA will have relatively few allies for two reasons: 1) Like the USSR it's deliberately rigging itself to try to defy the course of economic trends in its own time. 2) Unlike the USSR it has no means to use its own resources short of directly imploding its own basis for existence, and it will never have an army able to menace Mexico, much less say, the USA, nor will it have the Navy to engage in the US sport of beating up poor Caribbean islands.

why cant the csa menace mexico? isnt mexico a third rate power at that time?

 

[Snake Featherston]

why cant the csa menace mexico? isnt mexico a third rate power at that time?

It has no power projection capabilities required to do it, while Mexicans are no more keen on slavery being imposed on them by force of arms when it's the CSA as opposed to when it's "just" the Republic of Texas.