Comprehensive defeat of Israel

Darksoul

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So assume some far reaching POD that probably stretches back for decades...

What happens if Israel were to competely loose one Arab-Israeli war? Not just "get the worst of it" type of war. A bonna fide "armies crushed on the field of battle, capital occupied, leadership signing documents of unconditional surrender" type of war. What happens to the nation of Israel if it is crushed by its foes? Genocide, or what? :eek:


(I've never actually seen a discussion of this topic, despite lurking here for quite a while. It seems like the sort of topic that disintigrates into a flame war really fast, but I thought it would be worth trying because most Arab-Israeli discussions seem to skirt around this issue)

EDIT: Also assume that Israel has not developed nuclear weapons at the time of its destruction, so it can't glass the Middle East in retaliation.
 
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It's difficult to say.

If it's early on, say the first Arab-Israeli war, it would be disestablished utterly, followed by a large diaspora, mostly to America. What is now Jordan, Palestine and Israel will be one state, probably still called Jordan. Israel will not likely get proper independence, and it would certainly never get a hold of Jerusalem, it could even take years to get visitation rights. Jewish citizens may get special rights or privileges in this state, and after a few decades, we might even see a gradual increase in the number of Jewish migration inwards.

If it's later, but still before nukes, all bets are off. It could be a simple turnaround. Arab nations establish a Palestinian state, and Israel is reduced to occupied status within that state. Palestine is, in all likelihood, a puppet state of the coalition that established it, while Israel is like a Gaza strip. Gradually conditions would worsen, since the Palestinian state would not be simply free, it would have soldiers from half a dozen Arab states on it's soil.

And lets say they never get nuclear weapons, or they do get them but during the invasion they can't, or won't, use them. If it's by this stage, things could get very grim indeed for the Israeli's. A lot of nations have built their whole foreign policies on the elimination of Israel, and built a lot of support locally by their demonisation of Jews and Israeli's. And they won't be sending moderates to police their occupied territories. The world will be keeping an absurdly close eye on things, but I would predict that the situation for Jews in Israel will be worse than the already absurd conditions the Palestinians live under. Maybe not genocide, but we're talking Gaza Strip forever.

But yeah, the later this happens, the worse for everyone.
 
I read a book about such a defeat in 1967. t Tge Arsb states divided up Israel and there was a second holocaust.

Genocide probably not...

But a massive and bloody ethnic cleansing : massive killings, rapes, plunders...

It depend of the date of the israeli defeat, between 1949 and 1962, French troops will come to israeli help...
 
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