Communist Sudan

How could the 1971 Sudanese coup d'état succeed

Would the new communist government still grant autonomy to the South

What would it's relations be with it's neighbors

Would this lead to increased communist support in Arab countries
 
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Marc

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You do realize that Marxist-Leninism has serious issues with Islam, definitely more so than it has with Christianity.
"Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism."
While both belief systems share a demand for social justice, fundamentally Islam rejects as anathema the core principles of materialism and atheism.

Basically that regime wouldn't last very long - assuming it wasn't invaded by various and sundry parties immediately, and got major Soviet help from the get go.
Now a quick shift to some kind of Islamic Socialism might work longer.
My take is without a war of secession, Khartoum is going to just about treat its southern provinces the same way every other government did for decades.
 
You do realize that Marxist-Leninism has serious issues with Islam, definitely more so than it has with Christianity.
"Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism."
While both belief systems share a demand for social justice, fundamentally Islam rejects as anathema the core principles of materialism and atheism.

Basically that regime wouldn't last very long - assuming it wasn't invaded by various and sundry parties immediately, and got major Soviet help from the get go.
Now a quick shift to some kind of Islamic Socialism might work longer.
Well, you should explain that to South Yemen. And Somalia.
 

Marc

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Both South Yemen and Somalia lasted only as long they got massive aid from the USSR, and both countries were relatively small and geographically compact - Sudan had then and now more than 10 times the population of those minor states, and is a huge country.
And in the scheme of things, a couple of decades is hardly what I would call lasting, not quite a generation.
My original comments about the cultural conflict between Marxism and Islam are still valid I believe.
 
I'm going to be honest, the cultural differences, whether they would exist in this regime or not (Religious Communism is a thing), will tend to not matter when the authoritarian boot it put on the publics neck. Yea, populace may hate it, but that doesn't stop the regime from kicking entirely if it's willing to fight by iron and blood
 
Given that the Maoists split off in the era, calling them M-Ls is suspicious at best. What I’d like to see more of is the proletarian / peasant composition of the Sudanese labouring classes and the penetration of proletarian organising into society at the workplace level. Coups aren’t revolutions. If there were a communist social revolution occurring we should see material evidence. communist Sudan is more interesting than Communist Sudan.
 
Both South Yemen and Somalia lasted only as long they got massive aid from the USSR, and both countries were relatively small and geographically compact - Sudan had then and now more than 10 times the population of those minor states, and is a huge country.
And in the scheme of things, a couple of decades is hardly what I would call lasting, not quite a generation.
My original comments about the cultural conflict between Marxism and Islam are still valid I believe.
Yes, because in non muslim countries, marxist-leninist religious policies were never resented by the population. Are we gonna pretend that secular authoritarian regimes in muslim countries are such a wild concept? The fact that arab nacionalist secular regimes recived aid from the USSR means that they only survived thanks to foreing aid even in the case of such regimes surviving the USSR? A bring that example because the religious policy of South Yemen ans Somalia had more in common with the arab secular nationalist than say Albania or soviet central asia.
 
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You do realize that Marxist-Leninism has serious issues with Islam, definitely more so than it has with Christianity.
I wouldn't go that far.

There have been regimes that tried to coopt the Muslim population even as they claimed themselves to be Communist, and the Iraqi Communist Party got started in a mosque.

Honestly, though, I think it'll be a lot like the Derg in Ethiopia. Attempted forced collectivization, which leads to mass death, which leads to insurgency, which leads to even more mass death...
 
There have been regimes that tried to coopt the Muslim population even as they claimed themselves to be Communist, and the Iraqi Communist Party got started in a mosque.

Honestly, though, I think it'll be a lot like the Derg in Ethiopia. Attempted forced collectivization, which leads to mass death, which leads to insurgency, which leads to even more mass death...
You might see the Communist Sudanese regime also co-opt Islam like how the Derg co-opted Christianity - a tentative alliance.
 
The article also says, that, it was Islamic Socialist. Siad Barre once said, that, Islam was an integral part of Somali identity and culture and that in Somalia there would be no conflict between Islam and socialism.
So by your definition, any muslim socialist state that doesnt enforce state atheism is islamic socialist? That quote only saids that islam is really important to their cultural identity and that it isnt in contradictory with the state ideology. It seems narrowminded to excluded those States from marxism-leninism just because they prefer secularism over state atheism.
 
So by your definition, any muslim socialist state that doesnt enforce state atheism is islamic socialist? That quote only saids that islam is really important to their cultural identity and that it isnt in contradictory with the state ideology. It seems narrowminded to excluded those States from marxism-leninism just because they prefer secularism over state atheism.

Islam was still the state religion in Siad Barre's Somalia. Many people also say, that, Gaddafi was a secularist. He wasn't, Libya's state religion was Islam, he imposed sharia, supported several Islamist groups and often threatened the West, especially Switzerland, with jihad. Gaddafi was also an Islamic socialist.
 
Islam was still the state religion in Siad Barre's Somalia. Many people also say, that, Gaddafi was a secularist. He wasn't, Libya's state religion was Islam, he imposed sharia, supported several Islamist groups and often threatened the West, especially Switzerland, with jihad. Gaddafi was also an Islamic socialist.
Nobody mentioned Gaddafi, just you. Also he was a socialist yes, but not a ML, in fact he was anticommunist.
 
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