Communist LoN, Western UN

Sorry I know I just made another thread buti like these ideas and theatre totally unrelated... *ahem*

What are the chances of the Soviet Union refusing to join the United Nations, without this killing the UN itself? My idea is for the weakened League of Nations working as sort of a new Cominterm, while the UN is a lot more active as Democratically focused counterpart to the above.

Thoughts?
 

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Sorry I know I just made another thread buti like these ideas and theatre totally unrelated... *ahem*

What are the chances of the Soviet Union refusing to join the United Nations, without this killing the UN itself? My idea is for the weakened League of Nations working as sort of a new Cominterm, while the UN is a lot more active as Democratically focused counterpart to the above.

Thoughts?

I thought the UN was one and the same with the Allies?
 
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The UN as we know it was a cementation of the Allied Powers victory, which at the time were called...The United Nations, with what we call the UN beIng the United Nations Organization. Its essentially an international democratic 1-world order, and for the Soviet Union to be outside of it would seem to both sides to make war inevitable; take every UN mediation or USSR sponsored Resolution and say buh-bye, as the USSR is now a rogue-nation playing civil war. The Soviets no longer have such ease to influence the rest of the UN members, no more say in international decolonization, and no participation in any UN organizations. By choosing not to be part of UN, the Soviets weaken their power projection, already easily the weakest thing about the country. The USSR had way more to lose then to gain, especially because (besides Stalin and Churchill) neither the Soviets nor anyone else wanted another world war, and sharing control of the world sounded pretty nice compared to the anihilation of all life.
 
Sorry I know I just made another thread buti like these ideas and theatre totally unrelated... *ahem*

What are the chances of the Soviet Union refusing to join the United Nations, without this killing the UN itself? My idea is for the weakened League of Nations working as sort of a new Cominterm, while the UN is a lot more active as Democratically focused counterpart to the above.

Thoughts?

Wasn't the Soviet Union kicked out of the league though? It might be more plausible for the Soviet Union to form its own UN type deal and have the League (presumably now with the USA) be the more democratically oriented order.
 
As long as they are on the same side, Stalin will want in. Soviets were not only kicked but internationally isolated, basically considered a rogue state. OUN not only recognized them, it recognized it as one of the big boys.
 
I find it unlikely that the western members of the League (and western members of League-affiliated organizations - while the USA were not a member of the League proper, they are and were members of the ILO) would be inclined to let the Soviet Union just walk away with the League's resources (which is more important than one might think - the League's physical assets, archives and subsidiary organizations were quite helpful in allowing the UN as a world organization get going quickly). So it seems slightly - but still rather unlikely, even if the idea of a revitalized League as the world organization after the war's conclusion was raised in political circles as late as 1942 - more possible to have a reorganized League of Nations as the western organization and a new de-facto communist-dominated counterpart organization.
 
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