Communist Dominican Republic

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An idea that's been mulling around in my head is what if the Dominican Republic went Communist instead of, or in addition to Cuba and joined the Soviet Bloc.

How would this effect the Cold War and other Latin American countries? Would this effect Romulo Betancourt's second term as Venezuelan president? Would the US prop Haiti as a counterbalance? Could Russia gain a naval base at Samana bay?
 

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Then how the hell did Cuba get away with being in bed with the Soviets?

And I ask for how this would effect Venezuela as the Trujillo administration almost assassinated him at least 4 times during Betancourt's presidency and actively tried to sabotage his administration.
 
Then how the hell did Cuba get away with being in bed with the Soviets?

And I ask for how this would effect Venezuela as the Trujillo administration almost assassinated him at least 4 times during Betancourt's presidency and actively tried to sabotage his administration.

Batista was hated by his people, Americans and the US government. Castro was legitimately taken at his word as being a non-Marxist liberator. And then the ol' switcheroo. We did attempt to do to Castro what we did the Dominican Republic. It was the Bay of Pigs, and there wasn't going to be an invasion in the short aftermath period of that embarrassment. And then Cuba was under the nuclear protection of the Soviet Union.
 

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Batista was hated by his people, Americans and the US government.
So was Trujillo.

Castro was legitimately taken at his word as being a non-Marxist liberator. And then the ol' switcheroo. We did attempt to do to Castro what we did the Dominican Republic. It was the Bay of Pigs, and there wasn't going to be an invasion in the short aftermath period of that embarrassment. And then Cuba was under the nuclear protection of the Soviet Union.

Can't a similar thing happen with the Dominican Republic?
 
My version:

Castro drowns as a young man. Later, a pro-American democratic movement overthrows Batista in 1957. Dominican communists do not have an uprising in '59, but focus on building revolutionary infrastructure in the unions.

1959- Francois Duvalier dies of a heart attack. Haiti descends into a period of turmoil.

1960- Butterflies on the campaign trail and a marital scandal for Nelson Rockefeller help lead to a Nixon victory.

1960- Betancourt assassination fails, but assassins are still caught. The uninjured Betancourt uses the attempt to shame Trujillo in the eyes of the world, and to bolster himself. Butterflies mean that only two of the Hermanas Mirabal- Patria and Minerva- are attacked in early December, 1960. Dede and Maria Teresa survive by virtue of not being present.

1961- Trujillo badly injured, but not killed, in his own assassination. He is heavily weakened, and the broad opposition sees opportunity amidst a weak economy and a weakened Caudillo. Uprisings begin in the less-populated north, and urban riots shake Santo Domingo.

The United States, hoping to prevent similar uprisings in Haiti, seize Samana Bay and then temporarily occupy Haiti to restore order. A black general is given the reins of power in order to stabilize Haiti.

In the Dominican Republic, Trujillo forces continue to be defeated by rebels, in part thanks to desertions. Trujillo by this point is barely lucid, although he is slowly recovering.

In mid-February 1962, Santo Domingo, which had been a Trujillo stronghold after the defeat of rioters, is seized. By this point, Trujillo is once again lucid, just in time to see rebels destroy the entire edifice of his government. In a public ceremony on Valentines Day, a large ceremony takes place. Trujillo, most of his family (i.e. those who had not escaped), and much of his governing ministers are executed by gunshots to the back of the head. The United States has occupied major naval bases, but had been unable and largely unwilling to support the unpopular and increasingly crazy Trujillo. A new Dominican Republic is declared. The leader of the revolution had previously promised to be anti-Communist; instead, he declares the People's Dominican Republic. Nixon considers invading, but Soviet recognition of the new state and concerns elsewhere abroad lead him to take the cautious route. Hardware is sold to Haiti, and military installations are created in Western Puerto Rico. As Trujilloist counter-rebellions fade, the US bombs most of the industrial infrastructure before retreating back to their well-armed bases.


1962-1993: The PDR joins the Soviet bloc, although American seizure of major bases prevents the country from having any major military significance to the Russians. The Haitian dictatorship stands as a solid counterbalance to the PDR, even as it is led by a general who apes the image of Baron Samedi and tortures left-wing dissidents. Cuba, capitalist and thoroughly American, remains the richest economy in the Caribbean as democracy takes hold in the society there. Puerto Rico is more developed militarily, but is still not a state. Nixon leaves office after a successful term in office, even with some limited student troubles relating to proxy wars abroad (Vietnam doesn't happen, largely because a successful offensive and uprising against Diem come about before major US support materializes. A rump South Vietnam in what was Cochinchina is preserved, with capital at Saigon).

In 1993, the Soviet Union finally falls, after the 1989 German reunification and the short North Korean Civil War (upon the death of Kim il-Sung in 1991)/Korean Reunification. Russia manages to hold on to Ukraine, Belarus and small regions of the Baltics and Kazakhstan under a broadly nationalist-military government. The Soviet Union is replaced by the Eurasian Commonwealth.

The PDR, without Soviet subsidies and led by a gerontocratic oligarchy, begins to suffer. The economy tanks, and with the fall of the Haitian regime in 1998 the Communists no longer have a convenient boogeyman with which to intimidate people. In 2006, pro-democratic riots break out in Santo Domingo, consuming the island entirely. The PDR falls, and is replaced with the Dominican Republic. Foreign aid to anti-communist regimes in Haiti, and capitalist development in Cuba and other places, have left the DR the poorest country in the Caribbean, even more so than Haiti. The 2008 elections are heavily corrupt, and a broadly left-wing but non-Communist general mounts a coup in order to take over. The DR is democratic in name, but largely run by the Officers Movement.
 
Couldn't you have the occupation turn into a Vietnam-esque quagmire, until the United States bows to the demands of "Bring Our Boys Home!" and "600,000 Dead For, What Was It Again?" and finally withdraws, humiliated?
 
Couldn't you have the occupation turn into a Vietnam-esque quagmire, until the United States bows to the demands of "Bring Our Boys Home!" and "600,000 Dead For, What Was It Again?" and finally withdraws, humiliated?
A Communist Dominican Republic would not have the same protections as a Communist Northern Vietnam, let along the Viet Cong. It isn't possible to establish something akin to the Ho Chi Minh Trail on Hispaniola without somehow removing the United States Navy from the equation, which would be operating around the island and interdicting many such shipments (likely from Cuba).

It quite simply isn't comparable.

 
We are not talking about OTL. We are talking about a TL with a much stronger Communist movement in the Dominican Republic, one strong enough to turn the occupation into a Vietnam-esque quagmire.
This comes back to though the fact that there is no effective way to arm such a guerrilla movement akin to the Viet Cong, there is no other nation to harbor these guerrillas other than Haiti which would either be Pro-American or face an occupation of its own, and there is no way for a third party beyond Haiti to support or finance these forces without getting by the US Navy and Air Force patrolling around Hispaniola.

There is also the problem where Americans are not going to see a conflict in the Dominican Republic, within their own backyard, in the same light as a conflict in Korea or Vietnam, which are on the other side of the Pacific.

You are better off trying to attempt this in someplace like Nicaraugua or somewhere in Central America, but at best the chances just aren't zero (as in Communist victory remains rather unlikely).

 
This comes back to though the fact that there is no effective way to arm such a guerrilla movement akin to the Viet Cong, there is no other nation to harbor these guerrillas other than Haiti which would either be Pro-American or face an occupation of its own, and there is no way for a third party beyond Haiti to support or finance these forces without getting by the US Navy and Air Force patrolling around Hispaniola.

There is also the problem where Americans are not going to see a conflict in the Dominican Republic, within their own backyard, in the same light as a conflict in Korea or Vietnam, which are on the other side of the Pacific.

You are better off trying to attempt this in someplace like Nicaraugua or somewhere in Central America, but at best the chances just aren't zero (as in Communist victory remains rather unlikely).


I agree. A tiny island nation like the Dominican Republic doesn't have what the Viet Cong. When looking at why the VC were so successful it was because they strong hidden supply lines, nations they could fall back into, and major Communist states assisting them with weapons and war material. North Vietnam had little infrastructure and most of the Viet Cong and NVA were supplied heavily by the USSR and China. China also provided airbases and sanctuary for VC forces, who could not be hit. The Viet Cong also had veterans of previous guerrilla operations which I think would probably be invaluable.
 
Question: why would the US have any more reason to care about the Caribbean than about Central America?
We did care about Central America, but the American public was so poisoned by the Vietnam experience that the deployment of actual American marines into any of those nations essentially got a loud no. This kind of feeling essentially extended until the Gulf War where any conflict we were involved in was planned as brief, with the fewest casualties as possible. With Nicaragua that was not possible and we knew that a long stay would be required to cement the control of any non-Communist regime (about several years anyway), with casualties inevitably on the rise, and comparisons to the Vietnam War being drawn. No one was willing to risk their political capital on it.

Then of course came the idea of the Contras doing the fighting for them, which we went and took. It didn't succeed of course, but it was the least politically damaging option at the time; at least, that was the case until they decided to go beyond the direction of Congress, resulting in that scandal.

Operation Just Cause is good example of the extent the United States was willing to go in the case of actual military interventions in Central America in the post-Vietnam period.

However you are talking about a Communist government arising in the period at the start of the Vietnam War, and before it became really unpopular, and also at a time when the United States was especially paranoid about the Soviet Union attaining military stations within the Caribbean region. There is quite literally nothing
politically that would prevent them from overthrowing the Communists, especially as they would have the support of other nations in Latin America (notably Brazilians were among the peacekeeping forces).

Should their rise be delayed until the late 70's then you may have a case, though I have my doubts even then; the very issues I outlined earlier in regards to funding/supplying a guerrilla movement still apply.
 

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Is there a possibility of the Soviets or another group funding communist insurgencies? As well, is there a chance that as soon as they take over the USSR recognizes them and offers protection, or some other way to dissuade any potential intervention?
 
Is there a possibility of the Soviets or another group funding communist insurgencies? As well, is there a chance that as soon as they take over the USSR recognizes them and offers protection, or some other way to dissuade any potential intervention?
An insurgency is off the table, the reasons outlined elsewhere.

No on the second; the moment it becomes clear that this nation and the Soviet Union are going to lock with each other militarily, the United States is going to kick out that government, whatever protests the Soviet Union might levy against it. The kind of lengths that would be required to prevent an American intervention the Soviet Union would not be willing to go.
 

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An insurgency is off the table, the reasons outlined elsewhere.

No on the second; the moment it becomes clear that this nation and the Soviet Union are going to lock with each other militarily, the United States is going to kick out that government, whatever protests the Soviet Union might levy against it. The kind of lengths that would be required to prevent an American intervention the Soviet Union would not be willing to go.
Can this be different if Cuba never went communist in the first place?
 
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