Communism and Fascism in a White victory TL?

What would the fate of communism and fascism as ideologies be in a timeline where the Whites were victorious in the Russian Civil War? Presumably communism would survive as an ideology but could it take power in any nations without being crushed by outside forces? Russia was far stronger and harder to intervene against than say, Spain, for example.

Some people might say that fascism wouldn't exist without the threat of Bolshevism but there were already proto-fascist movements such as Action Francaise in France and the Integralists in Portugal before WW1.
 
I think Trotsky once said something along the lines of "if the reactionaries had won the war, the word for fascism would have been a Russian one."

I suppose that's possible. Who knows what kind of governmental system would have been established in Russia, considering how fragmented and decentralized the whites were? Its certainly possible Kolchak, or maybe even Wrangel emerges as a strongman dictator of a rightist Russia. Since they've just won a civil war against the bolsheviks, the resultant system would probably be strongly authoritarian and violently anti-communist, so something like an ATL equivalent of fascism. I also expect it to be less than friendly towards the Jews, considering both traditional Russian anti-semitism and the prominence of Jews among the ranks of the bolsheviks, something that white propaganda drew much attention to IOTL. I doubt anything on the scale of the Holocaust is coming, but you might say a reinstitution of the more stringent Tsarist anti-semitic laws. So Russia itself might actually be the best bet for an ATL version of 'fascism' in a world where the reds are defeated.

As for the fate of communism in the world as a whole, I think its prospects look considerably worse than IOTL. The fact that there was one country, and a powerful one at that, actually ruled by a socialist party and operating according to socialist principles, was a major boon to the international communist movement IOTL. Most communists and many labor and workers' movements across the globe looked to Soviet Russia as an inspiration, and as proof that a socialist society was possible. They don't have that here. So much of the wind is taken out of the sails of the communist movement. There will certainly be no Cold War--at least not one anything like ours. No Nazi Germany, and maybe no Fascist Italy. No Spanish Civil War. I also expect you might see a less restrained capitalism, since the specter of bolshevism won't be hovering in the background to spook capitalists and capitalist governments into concessions to their workers.
 
I agree that a White victory would likely see a reactionary fascism analogue rise up in Russia, and from there some sort of ideological outreach to reactionary elements in other European societies would be a likely step to shore up a nation that, even assuming total White victory would still be riven by internal factionalism and vulnerable to outside influence in the wake of a brutal civil war. As for communism, the failure of the Reds to a fractious reactionary opposition likely spells the end of Orthodox Marxism as a politically viable ideology in the short term. A more democratic socialism could rise up as a reaction against both a surge in *fascist proselytizing and the perceived flaws Marxist-Leninist vanguard socialism. I've always liked the idea of some sort of surviving less reactionary form of futurism. Authoritarian Anarcho-Syndicalism! Free love, free drugs! There you have it, a counter to an ATL fascism that's just as revolutionary and oppressive, just in a different way.
 
I think that there are a number of factors that could lead to Fascism still arising in Germany following a White victory in Russia. Firstly, in the aftermath of the White victory the influx of Jewish into Germany during the war is going to get turbocharged and will also include a large number of leftists fleeing repression. This is going to kick up right-wing hysteria over Jews and Communists. Secondly, with the failure of the Soviet Revolution the possibility of the German left reuniting, or at least being less stubbornly sectarian, increases. This means that there is a much stronger German left with a strong radical streak which is going to scare the German right and bourgeoisie into desperate measures. Let's say that in the aftermath of the Depression the Communists and SPD end up unifying and the far-left ends up winning out inside the party. In the 1932 election the polarised political situation comes down to a two-way race between the Communists-SPD ticket who are backing Rosa Luxemburg (female, Jewish, Polish and Communist, all the things that the Nazis oppose) and the Nazis who are pushing Hitler. If the Nazis win there's a good chance for a self-coup and purge whilst a Communist-SPD win could either trigger a reactionary coup or a self-coup in the face of right-wing resistance to their program.
 
What would the fate of communism and fascism as ideologies be in a timeline where the Whites were victorious in the Russian Civil War? Presumably communism would survive as an ideology but could it take power in any nations without being crushed by outside forces? Russia was far stronger and harder to intervene against than say, Spain, for example.

Some people might say that fascism wouldn't exist without the threat of Bolshevism but there were already proto-fascist movements such as Action Francaise in France and the Integralists in Portugal before WW1.
German ,Lebensraum' ideology would still persists in some far right minds while other conservative Nationalists may see such a White victory as welcoming. Might be used to crack down on certain movements.
 
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