Comic WI: Marvel's Batman

...cosmic level superheroes, from Nova to the Starjammers to Silver Surfer to (Depending on your interpretation of cosmology) literal gods in Hercules and Thor.
Sentry, Nova, Starjammers, Guardian, Quasar, Silver Surfer, Phoenix, Scarlet Witch (on steroids, though) and Odinforce Thor, to name a few.
When did Nova get so much power? Unless you mean the Frakie Raye/Herald of Galactus version, which I count a special case, along with the Surfer. Guardian? Heather?:eek: Since when?:confused::confused: Nor Quasar, AFAIK. Let's see...
#Phoenix (Jean, not Rachel, & don't even talk to me about that f*king cocoon!:mad:)
#Thor (maybe)
#Odin (IDK...)
#Doc Strange (never demonstrated it AFAIK)
#Immortus (maybe)
I can't think of anybody else. The LSX (Legion of Substitute X-Men)? Nope, again; only *Mon El (Marv-El?:p) comes close, & that's "moving (Baxter) buildings", not planets...:rolleyes: Starhawk? Not AFAI recall.

As for Galactus, well, again a special case. And a bad guy, generally.
 
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phx1138

Gladiator of the Sh'iar Imperial Guard seems to be on Superman levels, in every sense of the word, except his power is psionically based, not physical. He THINKS how powerful/strong he is.

Also, this came up in reference to STRENGTH based heroes, not raw power. Huge difference. Marvel (and DC) never had a problem with POWERFUL women, even cosmically powerful ones. But super-strong invulnerable superheroines were another matter entirely. The original Phoenix was killed by an ancient raygun. Storm, Zatanna, the Scarlet Witch, Lightening Lass, the White Witch, and Saturn Girl could all be killed by a .357 Magnum. Even Wonder Woman needs her bracelets.

It's only been since the late 1970s that super-strong AND bulletproof superheroines have been introduced. Women who could mix it up (melee') with the worst of the supervillains right along with the good guys. All the superheroines I've listed above need RANGE to fight effectively (except of course the cosmically powerful Phoenix).
 
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I think the reference to Guardian is Guardian of the Sh'iar
:eek::eek: I never could remember his name.:eek: (Which is really embarassing for a reformed Marvel Zombie, knowing him better as a faux Mon El.:eek::eek:)
Also, this came up in reference to STRENGTH based heroes, not raw power. Huge difference. Marvel (and DC) never had a problem with POWERFUL women, even cosmically powerful ones. But super-strong invulnerable superheroines were another matter entirely. The original Phoenix was killed by an ancient raygun. Storm, Zatanna, the Scarlet Witch, Lightening Lass, the White Witch, and Saturn Girl could all be killed by a .357 Magnum. Even Wonder Woman needs her bracelets.

It's only been since the late 1970s that super-strong AND bulletproof superheroines have been introduced. Women who could mix it up (melee') with the worst of the supervillains right along with the good guys. All the superheroines I've listed above need RANGE to fight effectively (except of course the cosmically powerful Phoenix).
I entirely agree. Truth, even Jean wasn't physically strong or invulnerable. And Marvel had a problem with showing even Rogue or Carol (as Ms M) being as strong & bulletproof as they were supposed to be. (Claremont gave Carol some finesse, but she shouldn't have needed it much.:rolleyes:) Nor, as I think of it, did even Chris make much use of Col's upgrade after she got the powerboost from the Iron Fist. (Yeah, the book got cancelled...:rolleyes: Might have had something to do with it.:p)
 
I entirely agree. Truth, even Jean wasn't physically strong or invulnerable.

She DID lay waste to the entire Sh'iar Imperial Guard on the Moon (including Gladiator) however, so I just credited her for that.

And Marvel had a problem with showing even Rogue or Carol (as Ms M) being as strong & bulletproof as they were supposed to be. (Claremont gave Carol some finesse, but she shouldn't have needed it much:rolleyes:)

As a matter of fact, way-way-back in Ms.Marvel (Vol.1) #6, they showed Carol mixing it up with some street thugs, and thinking to herself that she wasn't bullet-proof. Which she wouldn't be as a simple feminine form of Captain Mar-Vell, boosted up to Mar-Vell's strength with his Nega-Bands, reflecting her heightened genetic-based abilities.

OTOH, in the X-Men, after she had lost her powers to Rogue, they showed her in the Pentagon emptying a .45 into Rogue, and Rogue just standing there smiling, and taking the bullets like so many thank-you's(?):confused:. I'd call that a simple continuity screw-up, as Ms.Marvel in all her previously adventures had never been shot, but had taken a sucker punch from the Super-Skrull and suffered only bruises for it (if she could take that, she'd have to be bullet-proof).

Rogue herself, through all her X-Men adventures, has shown herself to be extremely physically tough in terms of invulnerability. And now that Carol has her powers back (and considerably increased), she shrugs off bullets regularly with the best of them.
 
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phx1138

I think the reference to Guardian is Guardian of the Sh'iar Imperial Guard. He seems to be on Superman levels, in every sense of the word, except his power is psionically based, not physical. He THINKS how powerful/strong he is.

Also, this came up in reference to STRENGTH based heroes, not raw power. Huge difference. Marvel (and DC) never had a problem with POWERFUL women, even cosmically powerful ones. But super-strong invulnerable superheroines were another matter entirely. The original Phoenix was killed by an ancient raygun. Storm, Zatanna, the Scarlet Witch, Lightening Lass, the White Witch, and Saturn Girl could all be killed by a .357 Magnum. Even Wonder Woman needs her bracelets.

It's only been since the late 1970s that super-strong AND bulletproof superheroines have been introduced. Women who could mix it up (melee') with the worst of the supervillains right along with the good guys. All the superheroines I've listed above need RANGE to fight effectively (except of course the cosmically powerful Phoenix).
His name is Gladiator not Guardian.
 
One important factor, how does this affect both the 60s adam west series and the 90s batman animated series?
 
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