Combined Fleet destroys USN at Midway? Effects?

Errolwi

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That is not how that works. The people who gave and received the orders did still know what they were. There just weren't any copies left.


Youtube is not a source.

Neither is paper and ink, but some youtubers list their sources, which you could have seen for yourself with all of three clicks.
 
Neither is paper and ink, but some youtubers list their sources, which you could have seen for yourself with all of three clicks.
I did click on it. But I've seen the video before and watched a couple other of his in the past, and glanced at his sources previously. But it still isn't a source since the books aren't referenced very well, and weren't what was actually linked to.

And, not to put to fine a point on it, but a video about the Eastern Front is irrelevant to the topic.
 

CalBear

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One of them was Fuchida... He was a grand liar on a grand scale. I have to consider the MANY known examples of captured enemy personnel from WW II gilding the lily.


Now the Japanese may have defective memories or they may have honestly misremembered or they were relying on their memories years after events. BUT if the US forensics were as bad for reconstructing their actions and recortds as it turned out for Halder and his gang of cutthroats?
Fuchida was well known as a liar, however that was generally in matters that allowed him to burnish his reputation. This would not be the case here. If anything there would be invented details regarding decision to concentrate on the Battle Line since that was did happen while Fuchida was still on scene conducting a real-time BDA.

There is a point where the best available information is the best information you is going to obtain. In that case you are presented with a relatively binary choice, accept data gather through interrogation from multiple personnel conducted without any of the other interviewees present, eyewitness statements from those on scene, including those who were on the receiving end of the attack, and whatever record are to be had or say that there is no data that can be relied upon and leave everything open to individual beliefs. Choosing the second option, however, is a decision to sit in the dark and complain rather than strike a match or flip a light switch.

The interviews that were conducted also line up with what historically occurred, providing a ready made QC check.
 
That is not how that works. The people who gave and received the orders did still know what they were. There just weren't any copies left.


Youtube is not a source.

TIK is quite good. And the examples are sourced both in video and here.

And there is THIS.

1. [Question] Were the exploders (devices used to initiate the explosion of the [torpedo] warhead) used in the torpedoes fired at the U.S.S. Indianapolis a German or a Japanese development?
[Answer] The exploders were Japanese-built, but Hashimoto did not know whether or not of German or Japanese design. (Description indicates this to be a copy of the German Pi 3).

2. [Question] If German, what was the German name for this exploder?
[Answer] No answer.

3. [Question] Was it necessary for these torpedoes to strike the ship in order for the exploder to function?
[Answer] Impact is not necessary for the exploder to function.
4. [Question] If not, how far below the keel of the ship could the torpedo pass and still fire?
[Answer] The torpedo could pass below the ship a maximum of 4 meters and still fire.

5. [Question] Were your instructions for depth setting on torpedoes carrying a magnetic exploder the same as those for torpedoes carrying a contact exploder only?
[Answer] No, the instructions were different. Magnetics were fired on deeper settings.

6. [Question] Is it true that the torpedoes fired at the U.S.S. Indianapolis carried exploders that were actuated by the magnetic field of the ship?
[Answer] Yes.

7. [Question] When you fired these torpedoes did you choose a depth setting which would permit the exploders to operate magnetically?
[Answer] According to Hashimoto there was no time to make a more suitable setting. Consequently it was left as it was, at 4 meters.

8. [Question] Did the torpedoes carry a mechanical exploder which would operate on contact with the ship as well as the magnetic exploder?
[Answer] The torpedoes carried combination magnetic and impact exploders.

He LIED.

The Japanese had developed a keel breaker that was most unusual. They developed a kite release for some of their torpedoes that popped a float drag that acted as a whisker above the fish as it swam toward and underneath the target. It was rather novel and effective.
 
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