Columbus's ship sinks.

Um, getting back to the OP, it clearly said Columbus 'ship' sank. What about the other two ships? I assume he meant the Santa Maria; so did the Pinta and Nina sink also, maybe at the same moment.
BTW, I thought about a TL where the P and N do founder on the way back across the north Atlantic in the stormy winter of '93. Lost with all hands. The men left behind at La Navidad die as per OTL, and the only proof of the landing in the New World is the few trade goods left behind with the natives.

Columbus was, in his way, a outstandingly intuitive sailor. He understood the winds and currents in unexplored seas and was remarkably strong-willed in pursuing his aim. If only the Santa Maria sinks, probably the other two ships head back earlier or got lost in the Caribbean anyway.
 
Unbelievable. Seriously. Un-goddam-believable.

How many active threads do we have on this very topic? Two isn't it? How many threads have we had on this topic in the last calendar year? Twelve? And yet we still get something like this and with the sadly usual grammar school level of knowledge too.

Both should help you answer your question. Have fun reading.

There was no need for that was there?

I'll have You know that unlike 90% of people around today of my age I actually DO try hard to not have any grammar and spelling mistakes and if I do then , sorry I'm only Human.
We all make mistakes.

And yes I DID post this in " After 1900 " forum by accident aswell , I'm always used to posting everything in one big forum and because I'm so used to doing that means I accidently did it again on here.

I'm new , and if I for some reason I lack knowledge in a certain topic , then that's ok we don't curse other people about it.

We help them and together we learn and have , well fun I guess.

I don't have anything against You man , so could we just brush aside our scratchy meeting and try to respect eachother?

Again I'm cool with You.:cool:
 
You and the other white knight do know the OP originally posted this in the After 1900 forum? So, not only did the OP ignore two active threads dealing with their question, they also ignored the board's forum structure.

And, of course, our response should be to pat them on the head, give them a cookie, and massage their sense of self esteem just like any other daycare center. :rolleyes:

If I HAD KNOWN there were 2 active topics already then no , I would have NOT posted this , I'm sorry I always have a quick glance down at the first page , however I must have gone past these threads.

It was accidental , me posting the Thread in " After 1900 " , as I described in the post before this.
And no I did not intend to break any rules here , but because I have , I'm sorry.
It wasn't intentional.

And what is that last sentence supposed to mean?
 
To put it more politely than Flubber probably will, that we should never ever criticize someone for being sloppy about these things.

We should just treat it as if there's no reason to expect someone posting a thread on the subject would look to see what else is already posted, for example.
 
To put it more politely than Flubber probably will, that we should never ever criticize someone for being sloppy about these things.

We should just treat it as if there's no reason to expect someone posting a thread on the subject would look to see what else is already posted, for example.

Oh , I kind of sound like a jerk now that I know what he means :/.
Sorry Flubber.:)
 

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I'll have You know that unlike 90% of people around today of my age I actually DO try hard to not have any grammar and spelling mistakes and if I do then , sorry I'm only Human.


I want you to look at the sentence I quoted and tell me with a straight face that you "try hard" not to have any "grammar and spelling mistakes".

Anyway, my comment regarding a grammar school level of knowledge wasn't referring to your writing skills but rather to your lack of knowledge concerning the abilities of 15th Century Europe and the impetus behind the age of exploration.

We all make mistakes.

Yes we do and mine was in losing my patience.

We help them and together we learn and have , well fun I guess.

Unlike any poster to this thread yet, I provided you with two links to threads that will help you learn. Threads, I must add, that you should have and could have easily found on your own.

Enjoy your time here and have fun reading.
 
To be quite honest, if I haven't noticed a similar thread in a brief scan of unread threads, I generally will post a new thread. Because, as veteran users probably know, the search option stinks.

I want you to look at the sentence I quoted and tell me with a straight face that you "try hard" not to have any "grammar and spelling mistakes".

Anyway, my comment regarding a grammar school level of knowledge wasn't referring to your writing skills but rather to your lack of knowledge concerning the abilities of 15th Century Europe and the impetus behind the age of exploration.



Yes we do and mine was in losing my patience.



Unlike any poster to this thread yet, I provided you with two links to threads that will help you learn. Threads, I must add, that you should have and could have easily found on your own.

Enjoy your time here and have fun reading.

Somebody piss in your breakfast today?
 
I want you to look at the sentence I quoted and tell me with a straight face that you "try hard" not to have any "grammar and spelling mistakes".

Yes , I will look at You with a straight face and say that I do try hard compared with the vast majority of people my age.

Here's a couple examples from my Facebook feed written by people of my age.

" thats just bloody great lost to of my closest friends today im such a dick ;( to my remaining friends~(witch is very few ppl ) im happy to still have you and to all those ppl who now h8 me u all have perfect reasons and im sorry "

" i want to be the reason you look down to your phone n smile <8 "

" -bbm pins? Inbox me pls?;;) "

Yes I will look at You in the face and say I do try.
 

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Unbelievable. Seriously. Un-goddam-believable.

How many active threads do we have on this very topic? Two isn't it? How many threads have we had on this topic in the last calendar year? Twelve? And yet we still get something like this and with the sadly usual grammar school level of knowledge too.

Here's a link to one active thread, the first 3 or 4 pages should suffice there, here's a link to another active thread.

Both should help you answer your question. Have fun reading.
You REALLY need to chill out. You are way over the top in this thread, for no reason I can find.

This is your second warning in a couple weeks. By my calculations that makes the count 0-2.
 
Yes , I will look at You with a straight face and say that I do try hard compared with the vast majority of people my age.

Fisplen, a request.

From your user location, English is probably a language you're highly familiar with - maybe even your native language.

Take a look at your post, and tell me if your teacher would make any critical comments on that sentence.

I've no authority to make you change anything, and wouldn't want it if I could have it - but you clearly want to come off as an intelligent and informed individual. So making just a bit more effort would help you there.

Won't solve all your problems with Flubber, but I think it would be worth your time.
 
Yes , I will look at You with a straight face and say that I do try hard compared with the vast majority of people my age.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. I'd say you're pretty understandable.

Anywho, I'd say you actually have the answer to your question-and the answer is, unfortunately, "not much changes"-Europe still moves on the Americas in a few decades at most and quite possibly within a decade, and disease still decimates the Native Americans and in most places this will pave the way for European conquest to proceed much like OTL.

Now that said, there's a few places where those extra years could be vital. If the Aztecs crush the Tlaxcalans in those few extra years, they would deprive any potential conquistadors of vital allies, and would potentially be much better able to resist an invasion (assuming, of course, that they don't trigger some other rebellion somewhere).

Also, those few extra years could be used by Hayna Capac to codify a method of succession to the Inca throne that takes into account if the heir apparent dies with the Inca. This means that, when European diseases do appear, if they kill the Inca emperor the empire will be less likely to fall into civil war and so will be better able to resist an invasion.

Finally, even if European conquest proceeds it could proceed in entirely different ways-for example, the Spanish may try to find a northwest passage to Asia before exploring the Caribbean, and so create Spanish-speaking colonies in what's now the Maritimes (not sure why they'd want to, though. Cod and fur, perhaps?)

Anyway, these are some variations on ideas that are pretty commonly repeated on the board, but rarely fleshed out. It's food for thought.
 
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